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This doesn't adress the point that AI can replace going to school. AI can be your perfect personal tutor to help you learn thing 1:1. Needing to have a teacher

This doesn't adress the point that AI can replace going to school. AI can be your perfect personal tutor to help you learn thing 1:1. Needing to have a teacher and prove to them that you know what they teached will become a legacy concept. That we have an issue of AI cheating at school is in my eyes a temporary issue.

alariccole 1y ago
ChatGPT just told me to put the turkey in my toaster oven legs facing the door, and you think it can replace school. Unless there is a massive architectural change that can be provably verified by third parties, this can never be. I’d hate for my unschooled surgeon to check an llm while I’m under.
- CamperBob2 1y ago
  Just curious, not being a turkey SME, what's the downside to positioning the turkey that way?
  - patrickmay 1y ago
    Most turkeys of my acquaintance would not fit into a toaster oven without some percussive assistance.
    - CamperBob2 1y ago
      I see, I overlooked the 'toaster' part. That's a good world model benchmark question for models and a good reading comprehension question for humans. :-P GPT 5.1 Pro made the same mistake ("Face the legs away from the door.") Claude Sonnet 4.5 agreed but added "Note: Most toaster ovens max out around 10-12 pounds for a whole turkey." Gemini 3 acknowledged that toaster ovens are usually very compact and that the legs shouldn't be positioned where they will touch the glass door. When challenged, it hand-waved something to the effect of "Well, some toaster ovens are large countertop convection units that can hold up to a 12-pound turkey." When asked for a brand and model number of such an oven, it backtracked and admitted that no toaster oven would be large enough. Changing the prompt to explicitly specify a 12-pound turkey yielded good answers ("A 12-pound turkey won't fit in a toaster oven - most max out at 4-6 pounds for poultry. Attempting this would be a fire hazard and result in dangerously uneven cooking," from Sonnet.) So, progress, but not enough.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  What's the alternate if someone didn't know something during a procedure? Just wing it? Getting another data point from an LLM seems beneficial to me.
  - axus 1y ago
    Ask a human who does. If there are no competent humans on-call before the procedure starts, reschedule the procedure.
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  - bigstrat2003 1y ago
    A trained professional making their best guess is far more capable and trustworthy than the slop LLMs put out. So yeah, winging it is a good alternative here.
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- bigstrat2003 1y ago
  Don't worry, someone will put another hack on top the model to teach it to handle this specific case better. That will totally fix the problem, right? Right?
qingcharles 1y ago
For someone that wants to learn, I agree with this 100%. AI has been great at teaching me about 100s of topics. I don't yet know how we get AI to teach unruly kids, or kids with neurodivergencies. Perhaps, though, the AI can eventually be vastly superior to an adult because of the methods it can use to get through to the child, keep the child interested and how it presents the teaching in a much more interactive way.
sharkjacobs 1y ago
It is considered valuable and worthwhile for a society to educate all of its children/citizens. This means we have to develop systems and techniques to educate all kinds of people, not just the ones who can be dropped off by themselves at a library when they turn five, and picked up again in fifteen years with a PHD.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  Sure. People who are self motivated are who will benefit the earliest. If a society values ensuring every single citizen gets a baseline education they can figure out how to get an AI to persuade or trick people into learning better than a human could.
nathan_compton 1y ago
Snap out of it. This is the best advice I can give you.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  Snap out of what? I use chatgpt for learning every day.

alariccole 1y ago

ChatGPT just told me to put the turkey in my toaster oven legs facing the door, and you think it can replace school. Unless there is a massive architectural change that can be provably verified by third parties, this can never be. I’d hate for my unschooled surgeon to check an llm while I’m under.

CamperBob2 1y ago
Just curious, not being a turkey SME, what's the downside to positioning the turkey that way?
- patrickmay 1y ago
  Most turkeys of my acquaintance would not fit into a toaster oven without some percussive assistance.
  - CamperBob2 1y ago
    I see, I overlooked the 'toaster' part. That's a good world model benchmark question for models and a good reading comprehension question for humans. :-P GPT 5.1 Pro made the same mistake ("Face the legs away from the door.") Claude Sonnet 4.5 agreed but added "Note: Most toaster ovens max out around 10-12 pounds for a whole turkey." Gemini 3 acknowledged that toaster ovens are usually very compact and that the legs shouldn't be positioned where they will touch the glass door. When challenged, it hand-waved something to the effect of "Well, some toaster ovens are large countertop convection units that can hold up to a 12-pound turkey." When asked for a brand and model number of such an oven, it backtracked and admitted that no toaster oven would be large enough. Changing the prompt to explicitly specify a 12-pound turkey yielded good answers ("A 12-pound turkey won't fit in a toaster oven - most max out at 4-6 pounds for poultry. Attempting this would be a fire hazard and result in dangerously uneven cooking," from Sonnet.) So, progress, but not enough.
charcircuit 1y ago
What's the alternate if someone didn't know something during a procedure? Just wing it? Getting another data point from an LLM seems beneficial to me.
- axus 1y ago
  Ask a human who does. If there are no competent humans on-call before the procedure starts, reschedule the procedure.
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- bigstrat2003 1y ago
  A trained professional making their best guess is far more capable and trustworthy than the slop LLMs put out. So yeah, winging it is a good alternative here.
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bigstrat2003 1y ago
Don't worry, someone will put another hack on top the model to teach it to handle this specific case better. That will totally fix the problem, right? Right?

qingcharles 1y ago

For someone that wants to learn, I agree with this 100%. AI has been great at teaching me about 100s of topics. I don't yet know how we get AI to teach unruly kids, or kids with neurodivergencies. Perhaps, though, the AI can eventually be vastly superior to an adult because of the methods it can use to get through to the child, keep the child interested and how it presents the teaching in a much more interactive way.

sharkjacobs 1y ago

It is considered valuable and worthwhile for a society to educate all of its children/citizens. This means we have to develop systems and techniques to educate all kinds of people, not just the ones who can be dropped off by themselves at a library when they turn five, and picked up again in fifteen years with a PHD.

charcircuit 1y ago
Sure. People who are self motivated are who will benefit the earliest. If a society values ensuring every single citizen gets a baseline education they can figure out how to get an AI to persuade or trick people into learning better than a human could.

nathan_compton 1y ago

Snap out of it. This is the best advice I can give you.

charcircuit 1y ago
Snap out of what? I use chatgpt for learning every day.