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Not sure if you've been to China lately, but their standard of living has improved dramatically over the past 25 years (after they began restricting and penaliz

Not sure if you've been to China lately, but their standard of living has improved dramatically over the past 25 years (after they began restricting and penalizing imports). The quality of their domestically-built consumer products now exceeds what's available in the US, and costs less. This is what happens when you stop outsourcing and bring manufacturing on-shore. The opposite has happened to the US over the same period, where international corporations (such as GE, GM, etc.) shut down on-shore manufacturing and import everything. In addition to the immediate economic effects, the long term effect is that the US has lost its ability to participate (let alone compete) in many manufacturing areas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_China_(1949%E2%80%93present)#:~:text=The%20year%202000%20showed%20a,US%20when%20measuring%20in%20PPP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_China_(194...

lazide 11mo ago
I think that’s more a side effect of China being the worlds manufacturing hub - which has nothing to do with their import policies, and everything to do with their export/currency policies. There isn’t much ‘made in the USA (actually)’ at this point. Plenty of other places have similar import policies - and still import most things from China. Like India, and well, frankly most of the world at this point.
renewiltord 11mo ago
I haven’t been recently. I was in Hong Kong last just before the pandemic and my parents have been to China recently. It’s quite an advanced place but they happily prefer the US to China still. I have a friend I met last year who lives in China and he’s looking to move to Singapore. So I’m not super informed but also I think I have enough anecdotal knowledge that someone showing me a GDP chart won’t convince me life is better there. But we may go in a few months after we take our daughter to her ancestral Taiwan. Then I’ll see for myself. Many Indians told me India is rapidly approaching the West once and I went there for a friend’s wedding and they were right but in the sense that Andromeda is approaching us at 120 km/s: it’s fast but the gap is big in standard of living. So I’m a bit hesitant to believe this stuff. I’ll see for myself.

lazide 11mo ago

I think that’s more a side effect of China being the worlds manufacturing hub - which has nothing to do with their import policies, and everything to do with their export/currency policies. There isn’t much ‘made in the USA (actually)’ at this point. Plenty of other places have similar import policies - and still import most things from China. Like India, and well, frankly most of the world at this point.

renewiltord 11mo ago

I haven’t been recently. I was in Hong Kong last just before the pandemic and my parents have been to China recently. It’s quite an advanced place but they happily prefer the US to China still. I have a friend I met last year who lives in China and he’s looking to move to Singapore. So I’m not super informed but also I think I have enough anecdotal knowledge that someone showing me a GDP chart won’t convince me life is better there. But we may go in a few months after we take our daughter to her ancestral Taiwan. Then I’ll see for myself. Many Indians told me India is rapidly approaching the West once and I went there for a friend’s wedding and they were right but in the sense that Andromeda is approaching us at 120 km/s: it’s fast but the gap is big in standard of living. So I’m a bit hesitant to believe this stuff. I’ll see for myself.