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Further evidence that a national firewall is a prudent idea. What kind of careless government would permit anyone in the world to have unfettered, anonymous acc

by SPICLK2 11mo ago

Further evidence that a national firewall is a prudent idea. What kind of careless government would permit anyone in the world to have unfettered, anonymous access to their citizens' thoughts and minds?

braincat31415 11mo ago
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- DonHopkins 11mo ago
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    - DonHopkins 11mo ago
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      - braincat31415 11mo ago
        Touched a nerve? I have quite a few gay and trans friends. They tend to agree with my views which is live and let live. Their lifestyle is not a problem, and they afford me the same courtesy.
        DonHopkins 11mo ago
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        Fnoord 11mo ago
        Example of a neonazi who isn't white [1]. The Believer (2001, with Ryan Gosling) is a decent fictional movie about how this could work [2], and I also liked Rompen Stomper (1992, with Russell Crowe) [3] and La Haine (French for 'the hate', 1995, with Vincent Cassel) [4] about the phenomenon in general but there's likely more recent, good material as well as non-fiction available. I also had a colleague student who was IMO racist, but he was himself what we in NL call halfbloedje (in this case: mother black, father white, divorced). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiel_Smit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiel_Smit [2] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247199/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247199/ [2] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105275/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105275/ [3] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113247/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113247/
        braincat31415 11mo ago
        The specific example I cited was the "we are coming for your children" chant in NYC, which is way beyond demanding to "live and let live". Things like this give an insane amount of ammunition to the anti-gay movement. You are lying by twisting my words, thankfully, the posting history is all there for everyone to see. I always supported equal rights and dialogue, and voted accordingly. That's why I do have problems with militant individuals like youself that create a complete mockery of the issue by refusing to think, resorting to insults, eating their own and actually causing the real harm to any rights movement. Who would want to be in the same voting block with someone who seems to be off the rails? Of course you will next say that you don't believe me and will pull more proof from wiki, but I don't give a flying duck. Bye.
  - pizzafeelsright 11mo ago
    unless you're searching history for previous postings how is this related or a proper response?
    - throwmoe 11mo ago
      He does this a lot. Very weird behavior. Another recent example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45981599 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45981599
karakot 11mo ago
Agreed comrade, only goverment sanctioned communication should be allowed.
- SPICLK2 11mo ago
  The government already sanctions other communications, along with every other aspect of your life. Why does the internet get a pass?
unethical_ban 11mo ago
Green account with a low-effort sarcastic comment. Worthy not only of downvotes, but public derision. Do you have any desire, or idea, on how to curb cyber-agitprop from enemy nations? Is living in a world with rampant, effective, agitprop on the internet with zero reaction the least of all evils?
- braincat31415 11mo ago
  It's a fair question. No, no desire to curb anything because of who is going to do the curbing. Any regulating entity (government or private) will use subjective judgement and will invariably devolve into censorship. The concern of course is that humans as a crowd are dumb, but on the other hand I think you give individuals too little credit. A smart person won't get his/her political views from random X posts. The problem is that most americans do not know first hand how the real censorship looks like. In the context of the previous discussion in that thread, chinese and russian firewalls block any discussion of gay rights issues. Do you think the US will be any different? We are all humans with the same deficiencies. Any "firewall", however it is implemented, will be a double edged sword that will eventually start cutting one way, and you won't like the result. To sum it up, yes, it's the least of all evils. If you would like to deride the answer, I assure you I am quite immune to the effort.
  - unethical_ban 11mo ago
    I agree with your concerns but I am not sure that it is all or nothing, in the way that encryption security is, for example. I think that agitprop campaigns are identifiable by the organizations on which they operate, and that site operators should consider that akin to spam and delete it. Of course I do not advocate an actual firewall. We saw Instagram and the US try to censor the carnage in Gaza, and "allies" like Israel have acknowledged their desire to control the information space to suit their narrative. Thank you for a real response.
    - braincat31415 11mo ago
      I think what you are saying is still on a shaky ground if I understood you correctly. Site operators will have a political bias that will skew the decisions. And of course there is pay to play and kickbacks... integrity was for sale ever since humans existed. Think in terms of what the internet gave us instead of what it has taken away. In my youth, I had to listen to shortwave to find the other side of the story.

by SPICLK2 11mo ago

braincat31415 11mo ago

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DonHopkins 11mo ago
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- braincat31415 11mo ago
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  - DonHopkins 11mo ago
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    - braincat31415 11mo ago
      Touched a nerve? I have quite a few gay and trans friends. They tend to agree with my views which is live and let live. Their lifestyle is not a problem, and they afford me the same courtesy.
      - DonHopkins 11mo ago
        [dead]
        Fnoord 11mo ago
        Example of a neonazi who isn't white [1]. The Believer (2001, with Ryan Gosling) is a decent fictional movie about how this could work [2], and I also liked Rompen Stomper (1992, with Russell Crowe) [3] and La Haine (French for 'the hate', 1995, with Vincent Cassel) [4] about the phenomenon in general but there's likely more recent, good material as well as non-fiction available. I also had a colleague student who was IMO racist, but he was himself what we in NL call halfbloedje (in this case: mother black, father white, divorced). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiel_Smit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiel_Smit [2] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247199/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247199/ [2] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105275/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105275/ [3] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113247/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113247/
        braincat31415 11mo ago
        The specific example I cited was the "we are coming for your children" chant in NYC, which is way beyond demanding to "live and let live". Things like this give an insane amount of ammunition to the anti-gay movement. You are lying by twisting my words, thankfully, the posting history is all there for everyone to see. I always supported equal rights and dialogue, and voted accordingly. That's why I do have problems with militant individuals like youself that create a complete mockery of the issue by refusing to think, resorting to insults, eating their own and actually causing the real harm to any rights movement. Who would want to be in the same voting block with someone who seems to be off the rails? Of course you will next say that you don't believe me and will pull more proof from wiki, but I don't give a flying duck. Bye.
- pizzafeelsright 11mo ago
  unless you're searching history for previous postings how is this related or a proper response?
  - throwmoe 11mo ago
    He does this a lot. Very weird behavior. Another recent example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45981599 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45981599

karakot 11mo ago

Agreed comrade, only goverment sanctioned communication should be allowed.

SPICLK2 11mo ago
The government already sanctions other communications, along with every other aspect of your life. Why does the internet get a pass?

unethical_ban 11mo ago

Green account with a low-effort sarcastic comment. Worthy not only of downvotes, but public derision. Do you have any desire, or idea, on how to curb cyber-agitprop from enemy nations? Is living in a world with rampant, effective, agitprop on the internet with zero reaction the least of all evils?

braincat31415 11mo ago
It's a fair question. No, no desire to curb anything because of who is going to do the curbing. Any regulating entity (government or private) will use subjective judgement and will invariably devolve into censorship. The concern of course is that humans as a crowd are dumb, but on the other hand I think you give individuals too little credit. A smart person won't get his/her political views from random X posts. The problem is that most americans do not know first hand how the real censorship looks like. In the context of the previous discussion in that thread, chinese and russian firewalls block any discussion of gay rights issues. Do you think the US will be any different? We are all humans with the same deficiencies. Any "firewall", however it is implemented, will be a double edged sword that will eventually start cutting one way, and you won't like the result. To sum it up, yes, it's the least of all evils. If you would like to deride the answer, I assure you I am quite immune to the effort.
- unethical_ban 11mo ago
  I agree with your concerns but I am not sure that it is all or nothing, in the way that encryption security is, for example. I think that agitprop campaigns are identifiable by the organizations on which they operate, and that site operators should consider that akin to spam and delete it. Of course I do not advocate an actual firewall. We saw Instagram and the US try to censor the carnage in Gaza, and "allies" like Israel have acknowledged their desire to control the information space to suit their narrative. Thank you for a real response.
  - braincat31415 11mo ago
    I think what you are saying is still on a shaky ground if I understood you correctly. Site operators will have a political bias that will skew the decisions. And of course there is pay to play and kickbacks... integrity was for sale ever since humans existed. Think in terms of what the internet gave us instead of what it has taken away. In my youth, I had to listen to shortwave to find the other side of the story.