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I don't know, I (and lots of people I know) book multiple dates with free cancellation months in advance and just keep the one we can make, closer to the date.

I don't know, I (and lots of people I know) book multiple dates with free cancellation months in advance and just keep the one we can make, closer to the date. I think this is a pretty widespread and common thing?

627467 1y ago
Oh yeah lots of "tragedies of the commons" happen because lots of people do things selfishly oblivious of the adverse effects
mvdtnz 1y ago
I would never have even considered doing this. I think it's a jerk thing to do.
Brian_K_White 1y ago
Returning clothes that were worn once for an event is also widespread and common. The problem is it's lying. It's abusing a grace to get something for nothing. Holding a room for you that you will never use is denying it to someone else who was not lying and actually does intend to complete the transaction. So yeah, doing this doesn't explain the hotel committing their own cancellation fraud but it is exactly the cause of the hotels reaction to just not offer cancellations. If someone wants to reserve all the options for themselves but not actually use them, that should cost something. They are getting something, and it's not free to produce, so it should cost something. Then ot wouldn't be an abuse or a minor fraud, just an honest transaction. There should be a "rent the dress" option. And what do you know, thete usually is. It's called the higher rate for the option to cancel. But there is really no way to distinguish this kind of abuse from honest people who had plans change outside their control who you don't want to burn except by collecting and sharing data on everyone to maintain profiles and track history and behavior, and no one wants that right?
- stavros 1y ago
  But you know that most websites nowadays do actively want you to order lots of clothes/sizes, try them on, and return for free the ones you don't want, right? This leads to more sales. I think websites/hotels have the same intention with free cancellation. It drives up rentals.
overfeed 1y ago
Lots of people don't return carts, dip their high beams for oncoming vehicles, or intentionally drive through yellow/red traffic light when there's ample time to stop. If those behaviors were adopted universally, life would get miserable for everyone.
twoodfin 1y ago
It’s ridiculously common. Airlines and hotels both charge you for the privilege, it’s not a moral failing to take them up on it!
TitaRusell 1y ago
Cultural thing in my country that would be asshole behaviour. Which doesn't stop people doing it ofcourse. It goes both ways though. A restaurant or hotel will not one-sidedly cancel on you. A deal is a deal. When the ink is dry and money transferred all parties keep their word.

627467 1y ago

Oh yeah lots of "tragedies of the commons" happen because lots of people do things selfishly oblivious of the adverse effects

mvdtnz 1y ago

I would never have even considered doing this. I think it's a jerk thing to do.

Brian_K_White 1y ago

Returning clothes that were worn once for an event is also widespread and common. The problem is it's lying. It's abusing a grace to get something for nothing. Holding a room for you that you will never use is denying it to someone else who was not lying and actually does intend to complete the transaction. So yeah, doing this doesn't explain the hotel committing their own cancellation fraud but it is exactly the cause of the hotels reaction to just not offer cancellations. If someone wants to reserve all the options for themselves but not actually use them, that should cost something. They are getting something, and it's not free to produce, so it should cost something. Then ot wouldn't be an abuse or a minor fraud, just an honest transaction. There should be a "rent the dress" option. And what do you know, thete usually is. It's called the higher rate for the option to cancel. But there is really no way to distinguish this kind of abuse from honest people who had plans change outside their control who you don't want to burn except by collecting and sharing data on everyone to maintain profiles and track history and behavior, and no one wants that right?

stavros 1y ago
But you know that most websites nowadays do actively want you to order lots of clothes/sizes, try them on, and return for free the ones you don't want, right? This leads to more sales. I think websites/hotels have the same intention with free cancellation. It drives up rentals.

overfeed 1y ago

Lots of people don't return carts, dip their high beams for oncoming vehicles, or intentionally drive through yellow/red traffic light when there's ample time to stop. If those behaviors were adopted universally, life would get miserable for everyone.

twoodfin 1y ago

It’s ridiculously common. Airlines and hotels both charge you for the privilege, it’s not a moral failing to take them up on it!

TitaRusell 1y ago

Cultural thing in my country that would be asshole behaviour. Which doesn't stop people doing it ofcourse. It goes both ways though. A restaurant or hotel will not one-sidedly cancel on you. A deal is a deal. When the ink is dry and money transferred all parties keep their word.