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Misleading use of the term "runtime" as it does not implement lua, but just links nonrust implementations into a webserver "runtime."

by mwkaufma 11mo ago

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creata 11mo ago
Yep. Specifically, the crate uses mlua: https://github.com/ArkForgeLabs/Astra/blob/f812bb0dc2881d74061b53178e05d9d76ec13790/Cargo.toml#L34-L42 https://github.com/ArkForgeLabs/Astra/blob/f812bb0dc2881d740...
gpm 11mo ago
That's exactly how the term runtime is consistently used in the JS world... not sure it's misleading at all. Certainly less exciting/ambitious than if the interpreter was also rewritten, but its what it says on the tin as I understand the words.
- pjmlp 11mo ago
  V8 and JSCore are a runtimes, everything else is made up stuff by people without background in compilers.
- nerdponx 11mo ago
  That's not at all what a runtime is, in any context, ever. Where else have you seen this solecism? It's new to me.
  - munificent 11mo ago
    First sentence of the Wikipedia article for Node.js: > Node.js is a cross-platform, open-source JavaScript runtime environment that can run on Windows, Linux, Unix, macOS, and more. First sentence for the Wikipedia article Deno: > Deno is a runtime for JavaScript, TypeScript, and WebAssembly that is based on the V8 JavaScript engine and the Rust programming language. First line of hero text from Node.js's site: > Node.js® is a free, open-source, cross-platform JavaScript runtime environment that lets developers create servers, web apps, command line tools and scripts. First line of hero text from Deno's site: > Deno is the open-source JavaScript runtime for the modern web.
  - gpm 11mo ago
    > Where else have you seen this Node.js is easily the most famous example. Also deno, bun, winterjs, and probably a bunch more. Someone upthread just linked a bunch of other equivalent lua projects that also refer to themselves as runtimes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46036362 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46036362 I've also seen discussions where wrapping the servo-browser-engine in a UI layer referred to the UI layer as a runtime, though I think that's a substantially less canonical use of the word than referring to the part of an implementation that takes requests from the interpreter and executes them in the surrounding environment as a runtime.

Misleading use of the term "runtime" as it does not implement lua, but just links nonrust implementations into a webserver "runtime."

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creata 11mo ago

Yep. Specifically, the crate uses mlua: https://github.com/ArkForgeLabs/Astra/blob/f812bb0dc2881d74061b53178e05d9d76ec13790/Cargo.toml#L34-L42 https://github.com/ArkForgeLabs/Astra/blob/f812bb0dc2881d740...

gpm 11mo ago

That's exactly how the term runtime is consistently used in the JS world... not sure it's misleading at all. Certainly less exciting/ambitious than if the interpreter was also rewritten, but its what it says on the tin as I understand the words.

pjmlp 11mo ago
V8 and JSCore are a runtimes, everything else is made up stuff by people without background in compilers.
nerdponx 11mo ago
That's not at all what a runtime is, in any context, ever. Where else have you seen this solecism? It's new to me.
- munificent 11mo ago
  First sentence of the Wikipedia article for Node.js: > Node.js is a cross-platform, open-source JavaScript runtime environment that can run on Windows, Linux, Unix, macOS, and more. First sentence for the Wikipedia article Deno: > Deno is a runtime for JavaScript, TypeScript, and WebAssembly that is based on the V8 JavaScript engine and the Rust programming language. First line of hero text from Node.js's site: > Node.js® is a free, open-source, cross-platform JavaScript runtime environment that lets developers create servers, web apps, command line tools and scripts. First line of hero text from Deno's site: > Deno is the open-source JavaScript runtime for the modern web.
- gpm 11mo ago
  > Where else have you seen this Node.js is easily the most famous example. Also deno, bun, winterjs, and probably a bunch more. Someone upthread just linked a bunch of other equivalent lua projects that also refer to themselves as runtimes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46036362 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46036362 I've also seen discussions where wrapping the servo-browser-engine in a UI layer referred to the UI layer as a runtime, though I think that's a substantially less canonical use of the word than referring to the part of an implementation that takes requests from the interpreter and executes them in the surrounding environment as a runtime.