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Taiwan is not distinct from China. Both the ROC and the PRC view Taiwan as part of China (ironically, at the cost of the mass slaughter of taiwanese to in servi

Taiwan is not distinct from China. Both the ROC and the PRC view Taiwan as part of China (ironically, at the cost of the mass slaughter of taiwanese to in service of the chinese).

decimalenough 11mo ago
"One China" is a political fig leaf that allows both sides to pretend the other country doesn't exist. Back in reality, the Republic of China (Taiwan) is fully independent from the People's Republic of China and fulfills every criteria of nationhood.
- MangoToupe 11mo ago
  Ok, nothing you said contradicts anything I said
noduerme 11mo ago
From that perspective, the ROC is the legitimate government of Beijing. Facts on the ground appear otherwise, but facts on the ground also imply that Taiwan is not part of the PRC's version of China.
- MangoToupe 11mo ago
  > From that perspective, the ROC is the legitimate government of Beijing. No. I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. Both governments claim legitimacy and only one has actual sovereignty.
  - SllX 11mo ago
    In practice, they are both sovereign over separate territories.
    - MangoToupe 11mo ago
      With respect to Beijing, only one does.
      - SllX 11mo ago
        There is no respect due to Beijing or the Chairman Winnie the Pooh regime on this issue. Taiwan is an independent country.
        MangoToupe 11mo ago
        > Taiwan is an independent country. Taiwan is an island. It is still China. It is impossible to both give deference to the ROC and say otherwise.
        SllX 11mo ago
        Nobody is giving them more deference than the other. In a perfect world, the ROC would be the one and only surviving entity from this mess and the PRC would be a relic of history. That isn’t what the facts on the ground are though. The ROC no more has sovereign jurisdiction over the mainland than the PRC does over Taiwan. Which is to say that at this point they are functionally separate sovereign nations independent of each other, regardless of the claims by either the PRC or the ROC. Or put another way, the way I did the first fucking time: Taiwan is an independent nation.

Taiwan is not distinct from China. Both the ROC and the PRC view Taiwan as part of China (ironically, at the cost of the mass slaughter of taiwanese to in service of the chinese).

decimalenough 11mo ago

"One China" is a political fig leaf that allows both sides to pretend the other country doesn't exist. Back in reality, the Republic of China (Taiwan) is fully independent from the People's Republic of China and fulfills every criteria of nationhood.

MangoToupe 11mo ago
Ok, nothing you said contradicts anything I said

noduerme 11mo ago

From that perspective, the ROC is the legitimate government of Beijing. Facts on the ground appear otherwise, but facts on the ground also imply that Taiwan is not part of the PRC's version of China.

MangoToupe 11mo ago
> From that perspective, the ROC is the legitimate government of Beijing. No. I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. Both governments claim legitimacy and only one has actual sovereignty.
- SllX 11mo ago
  In practice, they are both sovereign over separate territories.
  - MangoToupe 11mo ago
    With respect to Beijing, only one does.
    - SllX 11mo ago
      There is no respect due to Beijing or the Chairman Winnie the Pooh regime on this issue. Taiwan is an independent country.
      - MangoToupe 11mo ago
        > Taiwan is an independent country. Taiwan is an island. It is still China. It is impossible to both give deference to the ROC and say otherwise.
        SllX 11mo ago
        Nobody is giving them more deference than the other. In a perfect world, the ROC would be the one and only surviving entity from this mess and the PRC would be a relic of history. That isn’t what the facts on the ground are though. The ROC no more has sovereign jurisdiction over the mainland than the PRC does over Taiwan. Which is to say that at this point they are functionally separate sovereign nations independent of each other, regardless of the claims by either the PRC or the ROC. Or put another way, the way I did the first fucking time: Taiwan is an independent nation.