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Yeah, or killing parents and children. sighs. People really need some context-awareness.
by johnisgood 11mo ago
Yeah, or killing parents and children. sighs. People really need some context-awareness.
- gritten 11mo agoWhat...?
- patates 11mo agoI think they mean the kill/pkill. Not defending the silly chain of what-about arguments though.
- boxed 11mo agoIs it silly though? With enough linguistic archeology I bet you can make this entire comment I'm writing right now extremely problematic and offensive. The linguistic treadmill means exactly that older terms change meaning back in time. They also change meaning FORWARD in time, meaning your inoffensive terms today will almost certainly be offensive in the future. It's also the case that offense is language dependent, which is always funny when Americans hard ban certain words on chats and then Swedes can't use the Swedish word for "end" because it's spelled like a slur in English. Everyone needs to stop this nonsense.
- Y-bar 11mo ago> Swedes can't use the Swedish word for "end" because it's spelled like a slur "Ände" is a slur? (excuse my lack of transductional skills)
- optionalsquid 11mo agoThey probably mean "slut". The word has the same meaning in Danish, by the way
- johnisgood 11mo agoThe whole terminology in IT could be turned upside down because it can be quite offensive if people ignore the context, so it is not limited to processes. There are utilities like "man", "finger", etc. that could come across as offensive too, to some, with no context-awareness. Today it is "master" -> "main", tomorrow the whole IT terminology. There are many PRs on GitHub with regarding to these, by the way. ... also what about pins? Slave and master pins! Must be about slavery, right? No, it is not, not at all. In any case, who made the association of the git branch "master" to slavery? It is absurd. People need to take the context into account.
- dzhiurgis 11mo agoIMO for something to be offensive it has to have intention to be offensive. Otherwise it's misunderstanding.
- johnisgood 11mo agoOf course, but they do not care about that. They made the association, and now they are being vocal about it. I am pretty sure most of us never made this association or attribution. I have never thought about slavery until they told me their own associations to it. I am pretty sure master / slave pins were not intended to be offensive, nor attributed to slavery. Similarly with the git "master" branch.
- johnisgood 11mo agoAnd quite frankly, the problem is that we cater to such people instead of teaching them to be context-aware.
- optionalsquid 11mo ago> In any case, who made the association of the git branch "master" to slavery? It is absurd. BitKeeper, the VCS that preceded Git, used the terminology "master" and "slaves", so the association is not based on nothing: https://github.com/bitkeeper-scm/bitkeeper/blob/0524ffb3f6f15ae8d3922b28da581f334475fe61/doc/HOWTO.ask#L223 https://github.com/bitkeeper-scm/bitkeeper/blob/0524ffb3f6f1...
- rich_sasha 11mo agoDon't forget killing orphans and zombies.
- johnisgood 11mo agoI will not forget master and slave pins either. :D
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- veeti 11mo agoHas the Linux community thought through the implications of using words like "containerization", when millions of slaves are still shipped around in shipping containers [1]? Docker is problematic technology to say the least. [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/1/26/slavery-in-libya-life-inside-a-container https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/1/26/slavery-in-libya-li...
- johnisgood 11mo agoYes, we ought to change "containerization" everywhere! In the Linux kernel, user-space, Docker, everywhere, only because people have difficulties with context-awareness! /s :D Please IT people, tell me that this thing is absurd.
- veeti 11mo agoFreeBSD also ought to consider the trauma "jails" as an analogy can cause to those unfairly incarcerated by the U.S. justice system.
- johnisgood 11mo agoNow we are getting somewhere! :D
- rurp 11mo agoWe better get rid of database constraints at the same time, since people were constrained on those same ships. I don't see how we can move forward as an industry until these grievous harms have been addressed.
- mock-possum 11mo agokillAllChildrenOf() is still my favorite method name
- ModernMech 11mo agoSide note, I had a professor who used to talk about "forking children" (processes) and I mean... the way she said it, with her accent... there are better words we could be using here to mean the same thing that wouldn't cause such absurdities to be uttered.
- johnisgood 11mo agoNah, I think the terminology is fine. Everyone in IT understands it. The people outside of IT have no business in our terminology.