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Selling tickets and collecting change from thousands of boxes is actually quite expensive in terms of manual labor and machines. The boxes themselves are expens

Selling tickets and collecting change from thousands of boxes is actually quite expensive in terms of manual labor and machines. The boxes themselves are expensive, as they have to be able to sort and count coins. And then the vending machines for the tickets. And it doesn't raise compliance at all. Why would it?

Marsymars 1y ago
> The boxes themselves are expensive, as they have to be able to sort and count coins. The boxes in my city of ~1.7 million don't do this. They're just boxes. Presumably they have some big box at the bus HQ they dump them in to sort the change. > And it doesn't raise compliance at all. Why would it? I'm not saying they raise compliance over other systems, I'm saying that observationally, compliance is pretty good. When I take the bus, I see basically everyone either put something that looks like a fare/ticket in the box or show a transit pass to the driver.
- crazygringo 1y ago
  Who counts that the coins all add up to the fare then? Do you have to show the coins to the driver that they add up to the fare, before putting them in the box? I've only ever seen systems that count and display the amount of coins dropped in, until it adds up to a fare, and then there's an indication that it's sufficient and it beeps and then resets for the next person.
  - Marsymars 1y ago
    The box is clear, the driver can see what people drop in. There’s nothing stopping you from putting half the fare amount in nickels in, but really, there’s nothing stopping you from putting nothing in and just taking a seat - bus drivers aren’t equipped to police fare evasion in either case. In practice, 80-90% of riders have monthly passes that are just pieces of paper that you wave in front of the driver as you get on. I’m not oblivious to the downsides of such a system, but there are real upsides around low cost, and no technology to ever go out of date.

Marsymars 1y ago

> The boxes themselves are expensive, as they have to be able to sort and count coins. The boxes in my city of ~1.7 million don't do this. They're just boxes. Presumably they have some big box at the bus HQ they dump them in to sort the change. > And it doesn't raise compliance at all. Why would it? I'm not saying they raise compliance over other systems, I'm saying that observationally, compliance is pretty good. When I take the bus, I see basically everyone either put something that looks like a fare/ticket in the box or show a transit pass to the driver.

crazygringo 1y ago
Who counts that the coins all add up to the fare then? Do you have to show the coins to the driver that they add up to the fare, before putting them in the box? I've only ever seen systems that count and display the amount of coins dropped in, until it adds up to a fare, and then there's an indication that it's sufficient and it beeps and then resets for the next person.
- Marsymars 1y ago
  The box is clear, the driver can see what people drop in. There’s nothing stopping you from putting half the fare amount in nickels in, but really, there’s nothing stopping you from putting nothing in and just taking a seat - bus drivers aren’t equipped to police fare evasion in either case. In practice, 80-90% of riders have monthly passes that are just pieces of paper that you wave in front of the driver as you get on. I’m not oblivious to the downsides of such a system, but there are real upsides around low cost, and no technology to ever go out of date.