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Some countries have cameras on public transport with security people watching the footage live. If someone misbehaves ever so slightly (like drinking alcohol) t

by 6510 11mo ago

Some countries have cameras on public transport with security people watching the footage live. If someone misbehaves ever so slightly (like drinking alcohol) the doors wont open until enforcers arrive. With modern AI you can have one person monitor countless cameras. They could even retract before the doors open so that you cant smash or spray them and run away.

trial3 11mo ago
this… can’t be a serious suggestion, can it? have you ever had to rely on public transit in a major city?
- fragmede 11mo ago
  Oh which continent? Is it possible that what you assume it's normal and default is colored by your personal experience and not representative of the world at large?
  - trial3 11mo ago
    > Oh which continent? what answer could i possibly give to you that would change your response? antarctica? > Is it possible that what you assume it's normal and default is colored by your personal experience and not representative of the world at large? of course this is true. what are you going for here. my objection is to standing up a Train Security Panopticon with "modern AI" and locking commuters (in north america) on a train (in north america) who might depend on a schedule (using a north american time zone) stuck at a station until the (north american) cops can come and pull someone (who statistically, but not for sure, would be north american) off of the car for being drunk (off of beer i've had in my personal experience, coloring this example, which may not be the beer that is representative of the world at large) and napping on the seats
    - fragmede 11mo ago
      I'm going for, "it could be a serious suggestion." In other cultures, being rude and disrespectful to other passengers is simply not done, and transgressors are actually punished. Americans have a problem with public transportation, but the problem isn't public transportation, it's Americans.
      - trial3 11mo ago
        which cultures? which public transportation? is it possible that what you assume is the problem is colored by your personal experience and not representative of members of a country at large?
    - 6510 11mo ago
      They would have to make the choice depending on how long the service takes vs the size of the offense. Usually they can wait for the train to arrive.
eddythompson80 11mo ago
lol, what? You’re gonna hold 20 people hostage on the bus until some enforcers navigate a busy city to ticket a person who is likely to wipe their ass with the ticket? What country is that exactly? Seriously, other than law enforcement what else can you do to someone who brazenly refuse to follow the rules? Even law enforcement (at least in the US) highly depends on where you live. In left leaning states and cities, DAs are not very likely to prosecute such small crimes like not paying a bus fare because they know it’ll make them unpopular next election. I live in a very left leaning county and state and it swings between center and left every 4 years or so. The swing is always “look how awful that guy was. He prosecuted vulnerable people for petty crimes for no reason”. Cops don’t wanna have to deal with all the paper work to book a guy for a couple of nights before they get released and do it all over again. If they know the person will not get prosecuted because there is no political capital to do so, why bother with the theatrics and all the paper work of arresting them? Brazenly refusing to pay the bus fare and getting in a verbal altercation with the driver and everyone on the bus is a fun afternoon for some people.
- JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
  > hold 20 people hostage on the bus until some enforcers navigate a busy city Where this happens they arrive promptly. And it doesn’t happen often.
  - ThrowMeAway1618 11mo ago
    >> hold 20 people hostage on the bus until some enforcers navigate a busy city >Where this happens they arrive promptly. And it doesn’t happen often. Where, other than inside your mind, does this happen? Please, do be specific.
nexuist 11mo ago
Assuming a perfect system this still fails because you have now locked in all the law abiding citizens with someone who has proven they are ready to break the rules, effectively inventing a hostage situation out of thin air whereby a miscreant can terrorize their fellow passengers for the duration of the police response time.
- eru 11mo ago
  No need to lock the doors. If you have facial recognition anyway, can just nab the misbehaver later.
  - 6510 11mo ago
    I believe they don't keep the recordings for long if no arrests are made. It certainly seems like a good idea to not create data sets that are open for abuse later.
- 6510 11mo ago
  The spiel is to do things you can get away with. You don't know if the other passengers are law abiding citizens. There is no way to tell how they respond when locked up with you.

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trial3 11mo ago

this… can’t be a serious suggestion, can it? have you ever had to rely on public transit in a major city?

fragmede 11mo ago
Oh which continent? Is it possible that what you assume it's normal and default is colored by your personal experience and not representative of the world at large?
- trial3 11mo ago
  > Oh which continent? what answer could i possibly give to you that would change your response? antarctica? > Is it possible that what you assume it's normal and default is colored by your personal experience and not representative of the world at large? of course this is true. what are you going for here. my objection is to standing up a Train Security Panopticon with "modern AI" and locking commuters (in north america) on a train (in north america) who might depend on a schedule (using a north american time zone) stuck at a station until the (north american) cops can come and pull someone (who statistically, but not for sure, would be north american) off of the car for being drunk (off of beer i've had in my personal experience, coloring this example, which may not be the beer that is representative of the world at large) and napping on the seats
  - fragmede 11mo ago
    I'm going for, "it could be a serious suggestion." In other cultures, being rude and disrespectful to other passengers is simply not done, and transgressors are actually punished. Americans have a problem with public transportation, but the problem isn't public transportation, it's Americans.
    - trial3 11mo ago
      which cultures? which public transportation? is it possible that what you assume is the problem is colored by your personal experience and not representative of members of a country at large?
  - 6510 11mo ago
    They would have to make the choice depending on how long the service takes vs the size of the offense. Usually they can wait for the train to arrive.

eddythompson80 11mo ago

lol, what? You’re gonna hold 20 people hostage on the bus until some enforcers navigate a busy city to ticket a person who is likely to wipe their ass with the ticket? What country is that exactly? Seriously, other than law enforcement what else can you do to someone who brazenly refuse to follow the rules? Even law enforcement (at least in the US) highly depends on where you live. In left leaning states and cities, DAs are not very likely to prosecute such small crimes like not paying a bus fare because they know it’ll make them unpopular next election. I live in a very left leaning county and state and it swings between center and left every 4 years or so. The swing is always “look how awful that guy was. He prosecuted vulnerable people for petty crimes for no reason”. Cops don’t wanna have to deal with all the paper work to book a guy for a couple of nights before they get released and do it all over again. If they know the person will not get prosecuted because there is no political capital to do so, why bother with the theatrics and all the paper work of arresting them? Brazenly refusing to pay the bus fare and getting in a verbal altercation with the driver and everyone on the bus is a fun afternoon for some people.

JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
> hold 20 people hostage on the bus until some enforcers navigate a busy city Where this happens they arrive promptly. And it doesn’t happen often.
- ThrowMeAway1618 11mo ago
  >> hold 20 people hostage on the bus until some enforcers navigate a busy city >Where this happens they arrive promptly. And it doesn’t happen often. Where, other than inside your mind, does this happen? Please, do be specific.

nexuist 11mo ago

Assuming a perfect system this still fails because you have now locked in all the law abiding citizens with someone who has proven they are ready to break the rules, effectively inventing a hostage situation out of thin air whereby a miscreant can terrorize their fellow passengers for the duration of the police response time.

eru 11mo ago
No need to lock the doors. If you have facial recognition anyway, can just nab the misbehaver later.
- 6510 11mo ago
  I believe they don't keep the recordings for long if no arrests are made. It certainly seems like a good idea to not create data sets that are open for abuse later.
6510 11mo ago
The spiel is to do things you can get away with. You don't know if the other passengers are law abiding citizens. There is no way to tell how they respond when locked up with you.