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Why do you need cloud, if you don’t need public sharing? You can connect to a 2-bay NAS with 20 TB of storage at home with a VPN. Fast, private, secure, practi

by aborsy 11mo ago

Why do you need cloud, if you don’t need public sharing? You can connect to a 2-bay NAS with 20 TB of storage at home with a VPN. Fast, private, secure, practically unlimited storage, under your control. That much storage will be very expensive in the cloud. Proton is like 120$/year for 500GB. You can also run unlimited applications for free on the same nas: photo management, streaming with apps like plex etc. Each of those apps is an additional cost in the cloud.

vohk 11mo ago
I keep a home server for exactly that reason but I still use cloud for some things to have an off site copy as well. There are some things I don't want to risk losing over burst pipes, a fire, burglary, power surges, etc.
kykat 11mo ago
Because of 3-2-1 Backup Rule, it's great to have a cloud backup for things that you don't want to lose. It's also great if you move frequently, or travel a lot.
- aborsy 11mo ago
  Sure, but you don’t need to pay a premium for end to end encryption like with proton. You would encrypt (all or part of) your NAS client side with your software of choice (I use restic) and ship it anywhere off site: could be cheapest cloud, or another location you have access to.
  - kykat 11mo ago
    True, I use proton for their mail and VPN, but use hetzner for bulk backups
ImJamal 11mo ago
Because your house might be destroyed with the drives?
twintwinetwolf 11mo ago
Because what you described is an unbearably complex, and highly unreliable solution. There is no way your home storage is more reliable than a geography-duplicated cloud center with 6 nines (or more) of data reliability. If you love spending hours a day twiddling with linux configs, knock yourself out, but my time is worth more and the every arrow of opportunity cost points toward an integrated cloud ecosystem. I prefer to save data in the cloud, and not "on the computer... in my house..." as the hank hill meme goes, because that hardware is painfully fragile.
- Saris 11mo ago
  So far with the Cloudflare and AWS outages this year my home storage is far more reliable hah
- Cyan488 11mo ago
  In my experience, all it took was buying a consumer Syno NAS, turning on the VPN server and connecting a DDNS service. Setting up a second off-site NAS and connecting it to the primary one over VPN was also easy. I haven't twiddled with Linux configs since I set up the system in 2018.
- aborsy 11mo ago
  No Linux configs, off the shelf NAS boxes come with their own operating systems. You learn a few concepts in initial days. The control plan is simpler than in a windows computer or phone. You configure an offsite backup in the NAS. Obviously you don’t have eleven 9 availability. But good enough for home use.
- izacus 11mo ago
  Did you actually measure that? Because I did and self hosted NAS easily reaches realibility of any cloud in place without common power outages. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but this myth about cloud reliability is a myth lately - all the corps have started squeezing for profit at the cost of reliability and availability.
bigstrat2003 11mo ago
Off site backup.

by aborsy 11mo ago

vohk 11mo ago

I keep a home server for exactly that reason but I still use cloud for some things to have an off site copy as well. There are some things I don't want to risk losing over burst pipes, a fire, burglary, power surges, etc.

kykat 11mo ago

Because of 3-2-1 Backup Rule, it's great to have a cloud backup for things that you don't want to lose. It's also great if you move frequently, or travel a lot.

aborsy 11mo ago
Sure, but you don’t need to pay a premium for end to end encryption like with proton. You would encrypt (all or part of) your NAS client side with your software of choice (I use restic) and ship it anywhere off site: could be cheapest cloud, or another location you have access to.
- kykat 11mo ago
  True, I use proton for their mail and VPN, but use hetzner for bulk backups

ImJamal 11mo ago

Because your house might be destroyed with the drives?

twintwinetwolf 11mo ago

Because what you described is an unbearably complex, and highly unreliable solution. There is no way your home storage is more reliable than a geography-duplicated cloud center with 6 nines (or more) of data reliability. If you love spending hours a day twiddling with linux configs, knock yourself out, but my time is worth more and the every arrow of opportunity cost points toward an integrated cloud ecosystem. I prefer to save data in the cloud, and not "on the computer... in my house..." as the hank hill meme goes, because that hardware is painfully fragile.

Saris 11mo ago
So far with the Cloudflare and AWS outages this year my home storage is far more reliable hah
Cyan488 11mo ago
In my experience, all it took was buying a consumer Syno NAS, turning on the VPN server and connecting a DDNS service. Setting up a second off-site NAS and connecting it to the primary one over VPN was also easy. I haven't twiddled with Linux configs since I set up the system in 2018.
aborsy 11mo ago
No Linux configs, off the shelf NAS boxes come with their own operating systems. You learn a few concepts in initial days. The control plan is simpler than in a windows computer or phone. You configure an offsite backup in the NAS. Obviously you don’t have eleven 9 availability. But good enough for home use.
izacus 11mo ago
Did you actually measure that? Because I did and self hosted NAS easily reaches realibility of any cloud in place without common power outages. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but this myth about cloud reliability is a myth lately - all the corps have started squeezing for profit at the cost of reliability and availability.

bigstrat2003 11mo ago

Off site backup.