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> it'll help crack down on illegal workers Will it, though? Businesses already have to get a photocopy of your passport when they hire you, and check your rig

by michaelt 11mo ago

> it'll help crack down on illegal workers Will it, though? Businesses already have to get a photocopy of your passport when they hire you, and check your right to work in the country. If they're not performing the checks, what's the point of a second document they also won't check? Surely the solution is firmer enforcement of the existing law?

dijit 11mo ago
Thats not true, I didn’t even have a passport (and I still don’t have a drivers license) for many of the jobs I had in the UK. UK society does not demand that you have a passport per-se, but there’s very few functional photo ID documents available outside of a drivers license or passport- and getting by without those is annoying but totally possible. I used to “prove” myself with bills addressed to me, and having a bank account- since, again, neither passport nor drivers license. Now, getting the bank account was difficult, required a guarantor. But jobs themselves had no requirement, and I could give them someone else’s bank account details I guess. Same is true of the national security number, which is probably what you meant that the employer must get; that “string” informs the government when you pay tax and therefore you need to be able to work to have one- except there’s no way of proving you’ve supplied the right one: the NI card even says on it that the card itself is not proof of ID.
- hexbin010 11mo ago
  I note you declined to answer "Will it, though?" and just explained that a passport isn't a hard requirement for Right to Work checks.
  - dijit 11mo ago
    I thought it was obvious that it does. As mentioned, my experience across multiple societies has proven as such. Unless you live somewhere with a centralised ID system that somehow makes it harder? I doubt it somehow.

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> it'll help crack down on illegal workers Will it, though? Businesses already have to get a photocopy of your passport when they hire you, and check your rig

by michaelt 11mo ago

dijit 11mo ago
Thats not true, I didn’t even have a passport (and I still don’t have a drivers license) for many of the jobs I had in the UK. UK society does not demand that you have a passport per-se, but there’s very few functional photo ID documents available outside of a drivers license or passport- and getting by without those is annoying but totally possible. I used to “prove” myself with bills addressed to me, and having a bank account- since, again, neither passport nor drivers license. Now, getting the bank account was difficult, required a guarantor. But jobs themselves had no requirement, and I could give them someone else’s bank account details I guess. Same is true of the national security number, which is probably what you meant that the employer must get; that “string” informs the government when you pay tax and therefore you need to be able to work to have one- except there’s no way of proving you’ve supplied the right one: the NI card even says on it that the card itself is not proof of ID.
- hexbin010 11mo ago
  I note you declined to answer "Will it, though?" and just explained that a passport isn't a hard requirement for Right to Work checks.
  - dijit 11mo ago
    I thought it was obvious that it does. As mentioned, my experience across multiple societies has proven as such. Unless you live somewhere with a centralised ID system that somehow makes it harder? I doubt it somehow.