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A more interesting question to me (and one where MSFT employees here would have some insight) is to what degree is Windows' recent ABYSMAL fucking quality the r

A more interesting question to me (and one where MSFT employees here would have some insight) is to what degree is Windows' recent ABYSMAL fucking quality the result of AI, outsourcing, or bad management? You can also feel the difference in healthy employees vs. unhealthy, when you switch between something like VSCode (polished, fast, intelligent UI, not buggy, consistently improves) and Explorer (paleolithically slow, unstable, buggy, crashy, the worst version is always the latest).

eviks 10mo ago
> VSCode (polished, fast, ...) and Explorer (paleolithically slow, In what world is VSCode fast when its startup time is multiples of Explorer (which had in recent news decided to preload itself to mask that issue) and they are the result of exactly the same fundamental shift from native to web native
- mschuster91 10mo ago
  The competition is IntelliJ, which can be slow as molasses.
  - eviks 10mo ago
    Visual Studio is the competition to IntelliJ
- IAmNotACellist 10mo ago
  VSCode starts up the same as any other IDE, and is responsive and snappy when using it. Explorer starts up about 100 times slower than any other file explorer, and is exceptionally while using it too.
  - eviks 10mo ago
    Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE", vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome, not its ide features , and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster, though I won't make up 10000 times, it's only around 10
    - IAmNotACellist 10mo ago
      >vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome VSCode is an IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code >Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE" Why? VSCode is an example of a well-made product from MSFT, unlike Explorer. >and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster, What IDE with plugins starts faster? And I'm not talking about the startup time of VSCode.
      - eviks 10mo ago
        > VSCode is an IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code Now try to follow your own sources, both links for that sentence call it a code editor with MS doing the correct reverence " happy with using a regular code editor like Sublime Text instead of a full IDE like Visual Studio."! It's also called so on its official page "The open source AI code editor" So try to make an actual argument/use a proper source for one instead of treating wikis as the ultimate truth > What IDE with plugins starts faster? Sublime Text, which is as much an IDE as VSCode > And I'm not talking about the startup time of VSCode. You're, you are responding to a point about very slow startup time
        IAmNotACellist 10mo ago
        >Now try to follow your own sources, both links for that sentence call it a code editor with MS doing the correct reverence " happy with using a regular code editor like Sublime Text instead of a full IDE like Visual Studio." People call applications apps, and before that they called applications programs. VSCode is called an IDE. My link calls it an IDE. Some people call it a code editor. Some people call emacs and vim IDEs. VSCode does everything an IDE does, including compiling, debugging, and profiling. >So try to make an actual argument/use a proper source for one instead of treating wikis as the ultimate truth Just because you don't like it being called an IDE doesn't mean it isn't an actual argument. Regardless, you haven't and can't attack my central point. The only one I care about, in fact: that the user can feel the vast difference in quality of VSCode vs. Explorer, and can tell that it's made competently vs. incompetently. I also said nothing about how long it takes to start up--you brought that up. I called it "polished, fast, intelligent UI, not buggy, [and it] consistently improves," all of which are true. All of which you've ignored. >You're, you are responding to a point about very slow startup time I'm responding to someone who doesn't understand my argument, and probably doesn't want to.

eviks 10mo ago

> VSCode (polished, fast, ...) and Explorer (paleolithically slow, In what world is VSCode fast when its startup time is multiples of Explorer (which had in recent news decided to preload itself to mask that issue) and they are the result of exactly the same fundamental shift from native to web native

mschuster91 10mo ago
The competition is IntelliJ, which can be slow as molasses.
- eviks 10mo ago
  Visual Studio is the competition to IntelliJ
IAmNotACellist 10mo ago
VSCode starts up the same as any other IDE, and is responsive and snappy when using it. Explorer starts up about 100 times slower than any other file explorer, and is exceptionally while using it too.
- eviks 10mo ago
  Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE", vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome, not its ide features , and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster, though I won't make up 10000 times, it's only around 10
  - IAmNotACellist 10mo ago
    >vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome VSCode is an IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code >Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE" Why? VSCode is an example of a well-made product from MSFT, unlike Explorer. >and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster, What IDE with plugins starts faster? And I'm not talking about the startup time of VSCode.
    - eviks 10mo ago
      > VSCode is an IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code Now try to follow your own sources, both links for that sentence call it a code editor with MS doing the correct reverence " happy with using a regular code editor like Sublime Text instead of a full IDE like Visual Studio."! It's also called so on its official page "The open source AI code editor" So try to make an actual argument/use a proper source for one instead of treating wikis as the ultimate truth > What IDE with plugins starts faster? Sublime Text, which is as much an IDE as VSCode > And I'm not talking about the startup time of VSCode. You're, you are responding to a point about very slow startup time
      - IAmNotACellist 10mo ago
        >Now try to follow your own sources, both links for that sentence call it a code editor with MS doing the correct reverence " happy with using a regular code editor like Sublime Text instead of a full IDE like Visual Studio." People call applications apps, and before that they called applications programs. VSCode is called an IDE. My link calls it an IDE. Some people call it a code editor. Some people call emacs and vim IDEs. VSCode does everything an IDE does, including compiling, debugging, and profiling. >So try to make an actual argument/use a proper source for one instead of treating wikis as the ultimate truth Just because you don't like it being called an IDE doesn't mean it isn't an actual argument. Regardless, you haven't and can't attack my central point. The only one I care about, in fact: that the user can feel the vast difference in quality of VSCode vs. Explorer, and can tell that it's made competently vs. incompetently. I also said nothing about how long it takes to start up--you brought that up. I called it "polished, fast, intelligent UI, not buggy, [and it] consistently improves," all of which are true. All of which you've ignored. >You're, you are responding to a point about very slow startup time I'm responding to someone who doesn't understand my argument, and probably doesn't want to.