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With that same logic me objecting to Iraq War I supported Saddam’s terror regime. Just because you think Israel actions are bloody genocidal war crimes does not

With that same logic me objecting to Iraq War I supported Saddam’s terror regime. Just because you think Israel actions are bloody genocidal war crimes does not mean that Hamas terror is justified or that some guy in a wheel chair should be killed. Yes, there is some young people who seem to get all of their information from social media and have absolutely no understanding of what is happening - they support Hamas, or claim that US have no dog in the fight. Palestina-Syria was a term coined for the region by Emperor Hadrian after the destruction of the Second Temple, so 40 years is nothing in the timeline of this whole conflict. The modern Zionism goes back to the 19th Century and the Israel occupation and oppression of Palestinians at least to 1948. So no, this skirmosh at the sea gave you very litlle understanding of why things are like they are, why the violence continues and how US has been funding this conflict the whole time. If you actually want to understand what this conflict feels for a regular Palestinian just trying to live, listen this interview: https://pca.st/episode/4f0099d2-2c6e-4751-b1e1-e0913fa25734 https://pca.st/episode/4f0099d2-2c6e-4751-b1e1-e0913fa25734

qntmfred 11mo ago
do you have any suggestions for those who want to understand what this conflict feels for a regular Israeli just trying to live or Israelis 40 years ago today or 75 years ago or Palestinian Jews 100 years ago etc
- komali2 11mo ago
  Read diaries of anyone heteronormative living in a collapsing empire. The Israeli experience is swayed heavily by decades of supremacist propaganda which is unfortunately becoming baked into the religion. I've had a surprising number of conversations with Israelis about politics that at some point involved them mentioning Israelis being "god's chosen people." Even Israeli progressives have to couch opposition to war in desire to get the hostages back, or they'll face incredible social blowback. Not to mention those with religious oppositions to serving in the military are propagandized as "not contributing to Israeli society," since the only valid way to do that is commit violence on behalf of the State.
  - bodhi_mind 11mo ago
    A lot of Israelis who reference “God’s chosen people” aren’t claiming superiority in the way it’s often interpreted abroad. In Jewish tradition, “chosen” historically means chosen for responsibility, not privilege. The phrase “light unto the nations” captures this: it’s about modeling ethical behavior, justice, and compassion, not dominating or controlling others. Understanding this helps separate the original ethical meaning of “chosen” from the way it’s sometimes misinterpreted in political discourse: it’s meant to be a call to moral responsibility, not a claim of inherent superiority.
    - komali2 11mo ago
      > chosen” historically means chosen for responsibility, not privilege. > moral responsibility Yes, this is identical to how it was stated by the three separate Israelis I had this conversation with that said it exactly this way. I ask genuinely if you understand this: Do you see how believing that a supreme being has granted "your people" a moral responsibility could easily lead to any actions "your people" do being ipso facto "moral" by definition of the fact it's performed by "your people?" Do you see how just the mere separation of people into "chosen by god (even just to live better)" and "not chosen by god (not responsible for living better)" can easily create a supremacist ideology? Do you understand that, from a scientific perspective framed in sociology and anthropology, there's no such thing as a Jewish person or non Jewish person in any externally consistent definition, that the definition is only enforceable by internal justifications, and that therefore it's arbitrary who is chosen and who isn't? And therefore exploitable by supremacists? See: e.g. Whiteness; Jews are white when it's convenient, and nonwhite when not convenient, same for Italians, Irish, Catholics... Not to mention: Hassidic Jews in Israel refuse to participate in the military. Other Israeli Jews say this is traitorous to the Jewish people, not doing their part to keep Jews safe. Some Israelis say horribly racist things about Palestinians, comparing them to animals and openly calling for their extermination. Others don't. Which Jewish people are correctly implementing the moral responsibility set forth by the Jewish god?
      - bodhi_mind 11mo ago
- delis-thumbs-7e 11mo ago
  If you have read any newspaper or media publication for past 75 year, you have got their view. Or any of the several films Hollywood has produced about the subject, ever heard of Spielberg?
- tehjoker 11mo ago
  Here’s a good starting point for learning about the situation: “Our Genocide” by an israeli human rights organization https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide This book too: “The 100 Years War on Palestine” by Rashid Khalidi https://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Years-War-Palestine-Colonialism/dp/1250787653 https://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Years-War-Palestine-Coloniali...

qntmfred 11mo ago

do you have any suggestions for those who want to understand what this conflict feels for a regular Israeli just trying to live or Israelis 40 years ago today or 75 years ago or Palestinian Jews 100 years ago etc

komali2 11mo ago
Read diaries of anyone heteronormative living in a collapsing empire. The Israeli experience is swayed heavily by decades of supremacist propaganda which is unfortunately becoming baked into the religion. I've had a surprising number of conversations with Israelis about politics that at some point involved them mentioning Israelis being "god's chosen people." Even Israeli progressives have to couch opposition to war in desire to get the hostages back, or they'll face incredible social blowback. Not to mention those with religious oppositions to serving in the military are propagandized as "not contributing to Israeli society," since the only valid way to do that is commit violence on behalf of the State.
- bodhi_mind 11mo ago
  A lot of Israelis who reference “God’s chosen people” aren’t claiming superiority in the way it’s often interpreted abroad. In Jewish tradition, “chosen” historically means chosen for responsibility, not privilege. The phrase “light unto the nations” captures this: it’s about modeling ethical behavior, justice, and compassion, not dominating or controlling others. Understanding this helps separate the original ethical meaning of “chosen” from the way it’s sometimes misinterpreted in political discourse: it’s meant to be a call to moral responsibility, not a claim of inherent superiority.
  - komali2 11mo ago
    > chosen” historically means chosen for responsibility, not privilege. > moral responsibility Yes, this is identical to how it was stated by the three separate Israelis I had this conversation with that said it exactly this way. I ask genuinely if you understand this: Do you see how believing that a supreme being has granted "your people" a moral responsibility could easily lead to any actions "your people" do being ipso facto "moral" by definition of the fact it's performed by "your people?" Do you see how just the mere separation of people into "chosen by god (even just to live better)" and "not chosen by god (not responsible for living better)" can easily create a supremacist ideology? Do you understand that, from a scientific perspective framed in sociology and anthropology, there's no such thing as a Jewish person or non Jewish person in any externally consistent definition, that the definition is only enforceable by internal justifications, and that therefore it's arbitrary who is chosen and who isn't? And therefore exploitable by supremacists? See: e.g. Whiteness; Jews are white when it's convenient, and nonwhite when not convenient, same for Italians, Irish, Catholics... Not to mention: Hassidic Jews in Israel refuse to participate in the military. Other Israeli Jews say this is traitorous to the Jewish people, not doing their part to keep Jews safe. Some Israelis say horribly racist things about Palestinians, comparing them to animals and openly calling for their extermination. Others don't. Which Jewish people are correctly implementing the moral responsibility set forth by the Jewish god?
    - bodhi_mind 11mo ago
delis-thumbs-7e 11mo ago
If you have read any newspaper or media publication for past 75 year, you have got their view. Or any of the several films Hollywood has produced about the subject, ever heard of Spielberg?
tehjoker 11mo ago
Here’s a good starting point for learning about the situation: “Our Genocide” by an israeli human rights organization https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide This book too: “The 100 Years War on Palestine” by Rashid Khalidi https://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Years-War-Palestine-Colonialism/dp/1250787653 https://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Years-War-Palestine-Coloniali...