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The worst part here is that the test isn't even in their native language...

by zipy124 11mo ago

pjc50 11mo ago
This sounds like an intentional anti indigenous scheme. Note that this is in Greenland.
- tokai 11mo ago
  It is not in Greenland. These are tests carried out by the danish child authorities on all parents deemed to potentially have issues fulfilling their roles as parents. edit: Down votes for providing a correction? Alright.
  - roywiggins 11mo ago
    People are down voting because "they test everyone" does not actually really respond to the allegation that it's anti-Indigenous, eg: > When Johanne was asked in 2019 what she saw during a Rorschach test - a psychological test where people are asked what they see when looking at ink-blot images - she said she saw a woman gutting a seal, a familiar sight in Greenland's hunting culture. > Johanne alleges that on hearing this answer the psychologist called her a "barbarian". Using a Rorschach test here seems designed to make this "test" so subjective that anyone could fail it if the invigilators want them to. Inkblot tests? In 2019, to decide if someone's a fit parent? That shouldn't pass the laugh test. You don't have to be an expert to think that's an obviously bad idea.
    - tokai 11mo ago
      >does not actually really respond to the allegation that it's anti-Indigenous That's a faulty reading of my comment. I did not touch upon if this is anti-indigenous or not (it is btw). You also fundamentally misrepresent what I wrote with the "they test everyone". Misunderstanding what is actually going on here, even with righteous vitriol, is not going to help anyone.
  - gus_massa 11mo ago
    > deemed to potentially have issues How is this determined? Which is the approval rate of the test? Let's made up 50%. Is it because the preselection is very accurate or because the test is unnecessary hard? Would you volunteer to take the test if the consequence is that they will remove your children if you fail? Even if everyone take the test, rich people will pay a trainer to prepare for the test. Like fake quote> If you see [the main hero of Denmark] heroically removing the eyes of [most evil enemy of Denmark], then you should reply: Three flowers in a pot. Perhaps the eyes removal makes no sense in the Denmark mythology, but just fill with a similar one. Here in Argentina, it may be "San Martin cutting people in half with his saber in San Lorenzo". A possible to solution is that each day a random member of congress or minister or judge or king/queen/heirs is selected. If they fail, they get banned from any public position for 18 years (because taking away their children is too much for me). If the test is fair, they don't have anything to worry about.
    - tokai 11mo ago
      You are assuming my comment argue for or against anything. It does not, I was only correcting a misunderstanding of what is going one here. Calm down.
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- skylurk 11mo ago
  Not the only one either, unfortunately. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_case
- bazoom42 11mo ago
  No, it is in Denmark. The stories are about Greenlanders living in Denmark.
- cmrdporcupine 11mo ago
  This kind of thing has been routine in Canada for decades, too. For both children of Inuit and other First Nations.
  - bossyTeacher 11mo ago
    I thought Canada stopped this after the Residential schools and other whitening practices were stopped. Mind elaborating?
    - cmrdporcupine 11mo ago
      There's plenty of ongoing abuses of the foster parent and social services system. For example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/first-nations-child-welfare-settlement-payments-1.7608989 https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/first-nations-child-welfa... "The payments are part of a $23.4-billion settlement for people removed from their homes on reserve or in the Yukon and placed in care funded by Indigenous Services Canada between April 1, 1991, and March 31, 2022." Note the dates -- well after the residential school closures. Or: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/41-20-0002/412000022024001-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/41-20-0002/4120000220240... "Indigenous children are vastly overrepresented among foster children in Canada. In 2021, Indigenous children accounted for 7.7% of all children under age 15 in the general population, but 53.8% of children in foster care (Statistics Canada, 2022).Note The National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation (2021) has reported on how this overrepresentation within the child welfare system is a legacy of the residential school system and a perpetuation of a history of colonial policies and practices that have separated Indigenous children from their families and communities." The situation is especially bad in Manitoba. https://globalnews.ca/video/11122619/1-in-2-manitoba-first-nations-parents-with-child-protection-services-study-says https://globalnews.ca/video/11122619/1-in-2-manitoba-first-n... This is by no means a past problem.

The worst part here is that the test isn't even in their native language...

by zipy124 11mo ago

The worst part here is that the test isn't even in their native language...

pjc50 11mo ago

This sounds like an intentional anti indigenous scheme. Note that this is in Greenland.

tokai 11mo ago
It is not in Greenland. These are tests carried out by the danish child authorities on all parents deemed to potentially have issues fulfilling their roles as parents. edit: Down votes for providing a correction? Alright.
- roywiggins 11mo ago
  People are down voting because "they test everyone" does not actually really respond to the allegation that it's anti-Indigenous, eg: > When Johanne was asked in 2019 what she saw during a Rorschach test - a psychological test where people are asked what they see when looking at ink-blot images - she said she saw a woman gutting a seal, a familiar sight in Greenland's hunting culture. > Johanne alleges that on hearing this answer the psychologist called her a "barbarian". Using a Rorschach test here seems designed to make this "test" so subjective that anyone could fail it if the invigilators want them to. Inkblot tests? In 2019, to decide if someone's a fit parent? That shouldn't pass the laugh test. You don't have to be an expert to think that's an obviously bad idea.
  - tokai 11mo ago
    >does not actually really respond to the allegation that it's anti-Indigenous That's a faulty reading of my comment. I did not touch upon if this is anti-indigenous or not (it is btw). You also fundamentally misrepresent what I wrote with the "they test everyone". Misunderstanding what is actually going on here, even with righteous vitriol, is not going to help anyone.
- gus_massa 11mo ago
  > deemed to potentially have issues How is this determined? Which is the approval rate of the test? Let's made up 50%. Is it because the preselection is very accurate or because the test is unnecessary hard? Would you volunteer to take the test if the consequence is that they will remove your children if you fail? Even if everyone take the test, rich people will pay a trainer to prepare for the test. Like fake quote> If you see [the main hero of Denmark] heroically removing the eyes of [most evil enemy of Denmark], then you should reply: Three flowers in a pot. Perhaps the eyes removal makes no sense in the Denmark mythology, but just fill with a similar one. Here in Argentina, it may be "San Martin cutting people in half with his saber in San Lorenzo". A possible to solution is that each day a random member of congress or minister or judge or king/queen/heirs is selected. If they fail, they get banned from any public position for 18 years (because taking away their children is too much for me). If the test is fair, they don't have anything to worry about.
  - tokai 11mo ago
    You are assuming my comment argue for or against anything. It does not, I was only correcting a misunderstanding of what is going one here. Calm down.
- deleted 11mo ago
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skylurk 11mo ago
Not the only one either, unfortunately. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_case
bazoom42 11mo ago
No, it is in Denmark. The stories are about Greenlanders living in Denmark.
cmrdporcupine 11mo ago
This kind of thing has been routine in Canada for decades, too. For both children of Inuit and other First Nations.
- bossyTeacher 11mo ago
  I thought Canada stopped this after the Residential schools and other whitening practices were stopped. Mind elaborating?
  - cmrdporcupine 11mo ago
    There's plenty of ongoing abuses of the foster parent and social services system. For example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/first-nations-child-welfare-settlement-payments-1.7608989 https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/first-nations-child-welfa... "The payments are part of a $23.4-billion settlement for people removed from their homes on reserve or in the Yukon and placed in care funded by Indigenous Services Canada between April 1, 1991, and March 31, 2022." Note the dates -- well after the residential school closures. Or: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/41-20-0002/412000022024001-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/41-20-0002/4120000220240... "Indigenous children are vastly overrepresented among foster children in Canada. In 2021, Indigenous children accounted for 7.7% of all children under age 15 in the general population, but 53.8% of children in foster care (Statistics Canada, 2022).Note The National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation (2021) has reported on how this overrepresentation within the child welfare system is a legacy of the residential school system and a perpetuation of a history of colonial policies and practices that have separated Indigenous children from their families and communities." The situation is especially bad in Manitoba. https://globalnews.ca/video/11122619/1-in-2-manitoba-first-nations-parents-with-child-protection-services-study-says https://globalnews.ca/video/11122619/1-in-2-manitoba-first-n... This is by no means a past problem.