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If we can’t have a good faith discussion then maybe it is a good idea to hide nuclear and animal labs. But with less oversight, that also invites abuse. You c
by hammock 11mo ago
If we can’t have a good faith discussion then maybe it is a good idea to hide nuclear and animal labs.
But with less oversight, that also invites abuse.
You can probably imagine abuse on your own in an anima lab, but I would also point out after Obama banned gain of function research in 2014 U.S. scientists moved their lab to China where it continued without the same oversight, and bad things happened.
- tsunamifury 11mo agoAs a dyed in the wool leftist I more and more struggle with Obama legacy from common core to regulation to his utter selling out the American people to the cia. When he was well intentioned he seemed to be a total failure and when he was blatantly self interested he was monstrous. I don’t think the right is another option but woof… this is tough
- zoklet-enjoyer 11mo agoIt was obvious when he was president that he's a terrible person. Not sure how you're struggling with it now. He's just a guy like anyone else. Not special. We shouldn't deify presidents. I didn't vote for him in 2008 because I thought he was too inexperienced. I didn't vote for him in 2012 because he continued the war of terror.
- tsunamifury 11mo agoI didn’t say any of this. I think you are responding to Your own thoughts and not mine.
- zoklet-enjoyer 11mo ago>As a dyed in the wool leftist I more and more struggle with Obama legacy from common core to regulation to his utter selling out the American people to the cia. You're struggling now but presumably weren't struggling then even though it was obvious at the time that he was a bad person just like the rest of them.
- tsunamifury 11mo agoI actually strongly considered voting for McCain.
- anonymars 11mo agoOn the one hand, "bomb bomb Iran" On the other hand: https://youtu.be/HLAzeHnNgR8?si=rcgu4dkfY60icTuO https://youtu.be/HLAzeHnNgR8?si=rcgu4dkfY60icTuO
- themafia 11mo agoHe was a corporate democrat. His cabinet was effectively selected by Citigroup. He burned home owners immediately and continued senseless wars. The difference between him and Bush was minimal. His "legacy" is completely a media creation. We lost control of this country the day JFK was killed.
- _aavaa_ 11mo agoWhat bad things?
- PeterHolzwarth 11mo agoIt's a reference to the theory that perhaps covid came from, and accidentally escaped from, a lab.
- 0ckpuppet 11mo agoWasn't this theory proven by documents that were released and reported on?
- _aavaa_ 11mo agoNo, it’s very squarely in the conspiracy theory category.
- ralph84 11mo agoThe idea it came from a mystery animal species that despite six years of intense searching hasn’t been identified is the conspiracy theory.
- Ancapistani 11mo agoRespectfully, I challenge you to show that it's any more "in the conspiracy theory category" than zoonotic crossover in a wet market. I don't mean to say that it's proven, because to my knowledge it is not. There is a great deal more evidence pointing to it being likely than necessary for it to be considered a mainstream theory.
- ceejayoz 11mo agohttps://www.chop.edu/vaccine-update-healthcare-professionals/newsletter/more-evidence-informs-origin-sars-cov-2 https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-update-healthcare-professionals... > One of the contentions in support of this theory was that the furin cleavage site on the virus has never been found in nature. Therefore, to some, that meant it must have been created in a laboratory... Recently, Wu and coworkers identified a bat virus (Bat CoV CD35) that harbored a furin cleavage site identical to that found on SARS-CoV-2 (Zhu W, Huang Y, Gong J, et al. A novel bat coronavirus with a polybasic furin-like cleavage site. > There is now abundant evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was an animal-to-human spillover event that occurred in the western section of the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market that housed several live animals that were susceptible to the virus. Indeed, the early cases of COVID-19 centered on that section of the market. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03026-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03026-9 > The hunt for the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic has new leads. Researchers have identified half a dozen animal species that could have passed SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, to people, by reanalysing genomes collected from an animal market in Wuhan, China1. The study establishes the presence of animals and the virus at the market, although it does not confirm whether the animals themselves were infected with the virus.
- MengerSponge 11mo agoJoe Public doesn't provide oversight. He's mostly good at generating outrage. Experts provide oversight, and animal research in the US is highly regulated by experts!
- Teever 11mo agoPeople like Erin Brokovitch, Lois Gibbs, and Wilbur Tennant seem to have provided significant oversight that has proven beneficial to society. As a Joe Public, how do you suggest that I can verify the oversight of experts? Is there sufficient oversight with animal testing in a place like Wuhan? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Brockovich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Brockovich [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Gibbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Gibbs [3] https://www.sciencefriday.com/articles/dupont-bilott-book-exposure/ https://www.sciencefriday.com/articles/dupont-bilott-book-ex...
- MengerSponge 11mo agoErin Brockovich and Lois Gibbs generated outrage, which was well deserved and a societal good. They were working against unregulated/underregulated firms, which did not have effective oversight. Oversight for PG&E should have come from the US EPA. I suppose the EPA should have handled Love Canal too, but the agency didn't exist when Hooker dumped their pollutants. Your cultural references suggest you're American, so you don't have a direct way of interacting with a sovereign nation's internal affairs. You can, however, elect competent politicians who support a competent foreign service. If you want to verify the work of experts, you need knowledge. You need to read, practice, and talk. Once you develop relevant expertise, you're an expert and no longer Joe Public. There are public universities near you where you can learn any of these topics. If you're in a remarkably remote location, you can take online courses. It takes time, but that's true of almost anything worth doing. If you aren't willing to do that, you're just proving Asimov right: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."