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Crime is down. Not because we have aggressive cops that shoot people a lot. https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2025-update/ https://cou

by Zigurd 1y ago

Crime is down. Not because we have aggressive cops that shoot people a lot. https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2025-update/ https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-...

notreallytho 1y ago
That's what happens when cities stop reporting crime statistics https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/06/14/what-did-fbi-data-say-about-crime-in-2021-it-s-too-unreliable-to-tell https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/06/14/what-did-fbi-d...
- Zigurd 1y ago
  Murder is down in line with the rest of crime. What that tells you is that even crime that's hard to fail to report follows the general trend.
  - cavisne 1y ago
    Down from a massive peak in 2020/2021 when cities tried the "lets not enforce crime" approach. Still elevated from pre 2020 levels.
    - throw-the-towel 1y ago
      Not trying to dispute your conclusions, but I'd be wary of using the peak Covid years as a reference.
closeparen 1y ago
Okay, and? As long as crime is below its peak level, there’s no need to apprehend criminals?
- lukeschlather 1y ago
  Shooting people and high speed chases are bad tools for apprehending criminals. They are more likely to harm innocent people than criminals. Facing off with "violent and brazen" criminals doesn't change this, but also the fact that crime is down suggests US criminals are in fact, neither more violent nor more brazen than those in areas where police use less destructive methods.
  - alksdjf89243 1y ago
    > also the fact that crime is down... This is not a fact. What is a fact is that many police departments stopped reporting crimes, so there are fewer crimes being reported, not that there are fewer crimes being committed. https://www.aol.com/thousands-police-depts-stop-reporting-003200203.html https://www.aol.com/thousands-police-depts-stop-reporting-00... There are myriad reasons why, but stemming the upward trend of reported violence makes politicians look better and we all know how honest politicians are.

by Zigurd 1y ago

notreallytho 1y ago

That's what happens when cities stop reporting crime statistics https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/06/14/what-did-fbi-data-say-about-crime-in-2021-it-s-too-unreliable-to-tell https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/06/14/what-did-fbi-d...

Zigurd 1y ago
Murder is down in line with the rest of crime. What that tells you is that even crime that's hard to fail to report follows the general trend.
- cavisne 1y ago
  Down from a massive peak in 2020/2021 when cities tried the "lets not enforce crime" approach. Still elevated from pre 2020 levels.
  - throw-the-towel 1y ago
    Not trying to dispute your conclusions, but I'd be wary of using the peak Covid years as a reference.

closeparen 1y ago

Okay, and? As long as crime is below its peak level, there’s no need to apprehend criminals?

lukeschlather 1y ago
Shooting people and high speed chases are bad tools for apprehending criminals. They are more likely to harm innocent people than criminals. Facing off with "violent and brazen" criminals doesn't change this, but also the fact that crime is down suggests US criminals are in fact, neither more violent nor more brazen than those in areas where police use less destructive methods.
- alksdjf89243 1y ago
  > also the fact that crime is down... This is not a fact. What is a fact is that many police departments stopped reporting crimes, so there are fewer crimes being reported, not that there are fewer crimes being committed. https://www.aol.com/thousands-police-depts-stop-reporting-003200203.html https://www.aol.com/thousands-police-depts-stop-reporting-00... There are myriad reasons why, but stemming the upward trend of reported violence makes politicians look better and we all know how honest politicians are.