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As an ex-Unity dev, it's clear Unreal crushes Unity on the "AAA" vibe side, and Godot marches forward on the "indie" vibe side. The writing was on the wall - I

As an ex-Unity dev, it's clear Unreal crushes Unity on the "AAA" vibe side, and Godot marches forward on the "indie" vibe side. The writing was on the wall - I personally switched to Godot and couldn't be happier. Tools have new versions before being deprecated, bugs get fixed (and fast!), and there's no looming threat of Unity coming down and squeezing more money out of our products

lambdaone 11mo ago
Unity is absolutely being squeezed between the two. I can't really see how it can compete with Godot at the low end; it's hard to compete with free, and most of the goodness in low end games is the gameplay logic, not graphics or animation. And Godot can only get better; look at how Blender ate the CGI tools market. This leaves Unity having to either compete with Unreal at the high end - a very high bar - or somehow finding a new business model. The switcheroo they tried to pull on their customer base can best be viewed in that light.
- kranke155 11mo ago
  Yep it seems to be end of the line for Unity tbh.
  - 64718283661 11mo ago
    Can you list even a single widely popular Godot game? Meanwhile, like half of the steam top 50, 100, 200, etc is unity.
    - krige 11mo ago
      Cruelty Squad. Also the other assertion seems rather hyperbolic. Steam top50/100 is either unreal or proprietary engines...
      - 64718283661 11mo ago
        Maybe a bit of an exaggeration. But I think at least 30%. Unreal is popular too. Unity seems to be more popular for indie/coop/single player/certain art styles. There seems to be many more unity games overall, but a lot of them are very small.
    - danbolt 11mo ago
      I don’t know if I could list something that matches say Cuphead or Silksong, but I do think that Godot is currently on a Clayton Christiansen-style worse-is-better ascent right now.
    - SSLy 11mo ago
      Battlefield 6 of all things includes Godot as core of the Portal map-building. Casette Beasts is what Pokemon wishes it was. Upcoming Planetenverteidigungskanonenkommandant looks gorgeous from the previews.
      - esyir 11mo ago
        I don't really think Nintendo is particularly concerned about Casette Beasts. And BF6 using it for their map builder is IMO a bit of a stretch. Planetenverteidigungskanonenkommandant looks neat though.
    - jsheard 11mo ago
      It's a bit of a weird edge-case, but the very popular Battlefield 6 is partially a Godot game. It's an odd hybrid of a proprietary in-house engine with Godot grafted onto it, which serves as a public-facing SDK for players to build their own content. I know that's not exactly what you meant but it is an interesting application in a major AAA title. https://gamefromscratch.com/battlefield-6-using-godot-game-engine/ https://gamefromscratch.com/battlefield-6-using-godot-game-e...
    - whicks 11mo ago
      Brotato: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotato https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotato
    - tapoxi 11mo ago
      You can actually pull that from SteamDB https://steamdb.info/tech/Engine/Godot/?sort=followers_desc https://steamdb.info/tech/Engine/Godot/?sort=followers_desc Battlefield 6 also uses Godot for its modding tools
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    - kranke155 11mo ago
      Not now, but ask me that question in 5 years.
- jsheard 11mo ago
  Godot isn't quite free if you want to release on consoles since those platforms are only supported by commercial forks, but I'm sure going down that route is still a hell of a lot cheaper than licensing Unity.
  - tapoxi 11mo ago
    Yes the pricing for W4 consoles is below paying for Unity Pro. There's also a free, MIT licensed Switch exporter, but it's in the Nintendo developer forums because of the NDAs.
    - ronsor 11mo ago
      You probably violated a Nintendo NDA by even mentioning that the exporter exists on the forums.
- pjmlp 11mo ago
  A much better C# experience across all devices where people expect to buy games.
torginus 11mo ago
I don't like Godot that much either - Imo what an engine needs is a clear and easy to use high-level API for grunt work, and good low level access so you can program your features just the way you want to. If you understand how engines and rendering works in general you have an idea on how to implement something - but then you either run into A: a tool that can't quite do what you want but almost, B: an incredibly overengineered API that's somehow way more byzantine than OpenGL C: Some obscure quirk or bug of an existing feature that either works in a strange way, isn't documented, or is buggy. In all these cases, doing the feature yourself is much easier than relying on the engine. Particle systems are a good example for this.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 11mo ago
  You can bring your own particle system in Godot, you don't have to use the default one

lambdaone 11mo ago

Unity is absolutely being squeezed between the two. I can't really see how it can compete with Godot at the low end; it's hard to compete with free, and most of the goodness in low end games is the gameplay logic, not graphics or animation. And Godot can only get better; look at how Blender ate the CGI tools market. This leaves Unity having to either compete with Unreal at the high end - a very high bar - or somehow finding a new business model. The switcheroo they tried to pull on their customer base can best be viewed in that light.

kranke155 11mo ago
Yep it seems to be end of the line for Unity tbh.
- 64718283661 11mo ago
  Can you list even a single widely popular Godot game? Meanwhile, like half of the steam top 50, 100, 200, etc is unity.
  - krige 11mo ago
    Cruelty Squad. Also the other assertion seems rather hyperbolic. Steam top50/100 is either unreal or proprietary engines...
    - 64718283661 11mo ago
      Maybe a bit of an exaggeration. But I think at least 30%. Unreal is popular too. Unity seems to be more popular for indie/coop/single player/certain art styles. There seems to be many more unity games overall, but a lot of them are very small.
  - danbolt 11mo ago
    I don’t know if I could list something that matches say Cuphead or Silksong, but I do think that Godot is currently on a Clayton Christiansen-style worse-is-better ascent right now.
  - SSLy 11mo ago
    Battlefield 6 of all things includes Godot as core of the Portal map-building. Casette Beasts is what Pokemon wishes it was. Upcoming Planetenverteidigungskanonenkommandant looks gorgeous from the previews.
    - esyir 11mo ago
      I don't really think Nintendo is particularly concerned about Casette Beasts. And BF6 using it for their map builder is IMO a bit of a stretch. Planetenverteidigungskanonenkommandant looks neat though.
  - jsheard 11mo ago
    It's a bit of a weird edge-case, but the very popular Battlefield 6 is partially a Godot game. It's an odd hybrid of a proprietary in-house engine with Godot grafted onto it, which serves as a public-facing SDK for players to build their own content. I know that's not exactly what you meant but it is an interesting application in a major AAA title. https://gamefromscratch.com/battlefield-6-using-godot-game-engine/ https://gamefromscratch.com/battlefield-6-using-godot-game-e...
  - whicks 11mo ago
    Brotato: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotato https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotato
  - tapoxi 11mo ago
    You can actually pull that from SteamDB https://steamdb.info/tech/Engine/Godot/?sort=followers_desc https://steamdb.info/tech/Engine/Godot/?sort=followers_desc Battlefield 6 also uses Godot for its modding tools
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  - kranke155 11mo ago
    Not now, but ask me that question in 5 years.
jsheard 11mo ago
Godot isn't quite free if you want to release on consoles since those platforms are only supported by commercial forks, but I'm sure going down that route is still a hell of a lot cheaper than licensing Unity.
- tapoxi 11mo ago
  Yes the pricing for W4 consoles is below paying for Unity Pro. There's also a free, MIT licensed Switch exporter, but it's in the Nintendo developer forums because of the NDAs.
  - ronsor 11mo ago
    You probably violated a Nintendo NDA by even mentioning that the exporter exists on the forums.
pjmlp 11mo ago
A much better C# experience across all devices where people expect to buy games.

torginus 11mo ago

I don't like Godot that much either - Imo what an engine needs is a clear and easy to use high-level API for grunt work, and good low level access so you can program your features just the way you want to. If you understand how engines and rendering works in general you have an idea on how to implement something - but then you either run into A: a tool that can't quite do what you want but almost, B: an incredibly overengineered API that's somehow way more byzantine than OpenGL C: Some obscure quirk or bug of an existing feature that either works in a strange way, isn't documented, or is buggy. In all these cases, doing the feature yourself is much easier than relying on the engine. Particle systems are a good example for this.

OsrsNeedsf2P 11mo ago
You can bring your own particle system in Godot, you don't have to use the default one