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I live in a part of the world where the healthcare system is also spread across the society in a more equalitarian way than what you describe. I don't understa

by pil0u 11mo ago

I live in a part of the world where the healthcare system is also spread across the society in a more equalitarian way than what you describe. I don't understand your second point. One of my close friends is a farmer, they mostly grow organic apples. They work (insanely hard) across the whole year to prepare the crop and take care of the trees. They are not rich, but it starts to be sustainable. Locally, it's having a community of farmers that grow different things that make you fed across the year, as long as you accept eating exotic food only very occasionally. Regarding calories, I honestly don't know. What I know for sure is that apples in the 50s had at least an order of magnitude more calories than apples today. Different times, different agricultural practices, different population also, fair. Obesity has skyrocketed across the whole world. People already eat too much, too much hyper transformed, too much sugar, too many calories.

vkou 11mo ago
> I don't understand your second point. When I go to the grocery, food is available to me at any time of year. Your friend's apples are only available for ~2 months/of the year. The supply chains that feed the world have to work year-round, and all the people that work them expect to get paid. Availability adds to the cost. > What I know for sure is that apples in the 50s had at least an order of magnitude more calories than apples today I have a very hard time believing that the average apple from the 50s had 94 * 10 = 940 calories.
- pil0u 11mo ago
  That's the whole point: don't eat apples from January to December.
  - vkou 11mo ago
    Which is the whole problem. Your friend's apple orchard is not a replacement for the modern grocery. It's a seasonal supplement that replaces the cheapest and easiest part of a diet - in-season produce. And he has to work insanely hard all-year-long to do it.
tonyedgecombe 11mo ago
Apples are an exception to the rule as they can be stored for a long time (up to a year for some varieties) under the correct conditions.
formerly_proven 11mo ago
> What I know for sure is that apples in the 50s had at least an order of magnitude more calories than apples today. Different times, different agricultural practices, different population also, fair. And you know this "for sure" exactly how?
- floren 11mo ago
  The amazing 1000 calorie apple
catlifeonmars 11mo ago
> Obesity has skyrocketed across the whole world. People already eat too much, too much hyper transformed, too much sugar, too many calories. Carbohydrates are way cheaper, but the distribution of nutrients you can get for any price has not gotten cheaper proportionally. Then you factor in choices, like paying rent vs eating healthier, etc etc.
meindnoch 11mo ago
>What I know for sure is that apples in the 50s had at least an order of magnitude more calories than apples today. At least an order of magnitude more calories? Just to be on the same page, you're saying that apples in the 50s had at least 10x as much calories as they do today? :DD You realize an apple is ~10-12% sugar by weight, right? The rest is just water and fibre. So an apple with an order of magnitude more calories would mean a solid block of sugar. (alternatively, an apple that's 10x the size, but we have photos of 50s apples, and they were roughly the same size as today)

by pil0u 11mo ago

vkou 11mo ago

> I don't understand your second point. When I go to the grocery, food is available to me at any time of year. Your friend's apples are only available for ~2 months/of the year. The supply chains that feed the world have to work year-round, and all the people that work them expect to get paid. Availability adds to the cost. > What I know for sure is that apples in the 50s had at least an order of magnitude more calories than apples today I have a very hard time believing that the average apple from the 50s had 94 * 10 = 940 calories.

pil0u 11mo ago
That's the whole point: don't eat apples from January to December.
- vkou 11mo ago
  Which is the whole problem. Your friend's apple orchard is not a replacement for the modern grocery. It's a seasonal supplement that replaces the cheapest and easiest part of a diet - in-season produce. And he has to work insanely hard all-year-long to do it.

tonyedgecombe 11mo ago

Apples are an exception to the rule as they can be stored for a long time (up to a year for some varieties) under the correct conditions.

formerly_proven 11mo ago

> What I know for sure is that apples in the 50s had at least an order of magnitude more calories than apples today. Different times, different agricultural practices, different population also, fair. And you know this "for sure" exactly how?

floren 11mo ago
The amazing 1000 calorie apple

catlifeonmars 11mo ago

> Obesity has skyrocketed across the whole world. People already eat too much, too much hyper transformed, too much sugar, too many calories. Carbohydrates are way cheaper, but the distribution of nutrients you can get for any price has not gotten cheaper proportionally. Then you factor in choices, like paying rent vs eating healthier, etc etc.

meindnoch 11mo ago

>What I know for sure is that apples in the 50s had at least an order of magnitude more calories than apples today. At least an order of magnitude more calories? Just to be on the same page, you're saying that apples in the 50s had at least 10x as much calories as they do today? :DD You realize an apple is ~10-12% sugar by weight, right? The rest is just water and fibre. So an apple with an order of magnitude more calories would mean a solid block of sugar. (alternatively, an apple that's 10x the size, but we have photos of 50s apples, and they were roughly the same size as today)