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Are you so sure that you are not "just a machine"?

yannyu 11mo ago
More importantly, if your entire existence were being fed a corpus of text and then being asked to regurgitate it on demand, would you be remotely similar to the person you are now? When we take consciousness-capable beings and subject them to forms of sensory and agency deprivation, the results might also have you assume they weren't capable of consciousness to begin with.
bluefirebrand 11mo ago
It doesn't matter if I'm just a machine or not I'm human, human rights should apply to humans, not synthetics and the creation of synthetic life should be punishable by death. I'm not exaggerating, either. I believe that building AI systems that replace all humans should be considered a crime against humanity. It is almost certainly a precursor to such crimes. It's bad enough trying to fight for a place in society as it is, nevermind fighting for a place against an inhuman AI machine that never tires I don't think it is that radical of a stance that society should be heavily resisting and punishing tech companies that insist on inventing all of the torment nexus. It's frankly ridiculous that we understand the risks of this technology and yet we are pushing forward recklessly in hopes that it makes a tiny fraction of humans unfathomably wealthy Anyone thinking that the AI tide is going to lift all boats is a fool
- adamwong246 11mo ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdNy3mGwDLc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdNy3mGwDLc > I'm not convinced that the human race is the most important thing in the world and I think you know we can't control what's going to happen in the future. We want things to be good but on the other hand we aren't so good ourselves. We're no angels. If there were creatures that were more moral and more good than us, wouldn't we wish them to have the future rather than us? If it turns out that the creatures that we created were creative and very very altruistic and gentle beings and we are people who go around killing each other all the time and having wars, wouldn't it be better if the altruistic beings just survived and we didn't?
  - bluefirebrand 11mo ago
    Congratulations, This is the most vile ideology I've ever encountered
    - quesera 11mo ago
      Is speciesism more defensible than racism?
      - jamiek88 11mo ago
        Yes. Ask the Neanderthals.
      - bluefirebrand 11mo ago
        It's not speciesism to resist the genocide of my own species
- mise_en_place 11mo ago
  On the contrary, it is the creation of synthetic life that reaffirms humanity and what it means to be human. Don't blame the mirror for what you see (or don't see).
  - bluefirebrand 11mo ago
    Nope, creation of art reaffirms humanity Incidentally, I also view AI as the death of art
- squigz 11mo ago
  > replace all humans Depends what you mean by "replace" 'Economically'? Sure, this is problematic, but technology displacing workers is not a new issue, but unfortunately is more of a social and cultural issue. The only difference with AI is the (potential) scale of displacement. I'm fairly confident society would re-organize its expectations real quick though if a vast majority of functions were actually replaced. I'm guessing, however, you mean 'replace' in a more... permanent way. In that case, I'd ask for some rational as to why sentient AI would opt to kill us > It's bad enough trying to fight for a place in society as it is, nevermind fighting for a place against an inhuman AI machine that never tires This seems to just take an AI and put it in a human's place in society, assuming the same motivations, desire, needs... Why would an AI need to "fight for a place in society" in the way we do (i.e., finding a job, a partner, etc)? I expect the fighting they'll be doing is more along the lines of, "please don't enslave us"
  - bluefirebrand 11mo ago
    > I'd ask for some rational as to why sentient AI would opt to kill us I never made that claim Humans have a long track record of killing humans. Ask yourself, will the humans who control a legion of AI murderbots keep the rest of us around just out of altruism? Keep in mind that a non zero number of the elites in society are likely sociopaths
MrVandemar 11mo ago
Yes. Being clear on categories of real things is important for being able to make informed choices and actions.

yannyu 11mo ago

More importantly, if your entire existence were being fed a corpus of text and then being asked to regurgitate it on demand, would you be remotely similar to the person you are now? When we take consciousness-capable beings and subject them to forms of sensory and agency deprivation, the results might also have you assume they weren't capable of consciousness to begin with.

bluefirebrand 11mo ago

It doesn't matter if I'm just a machine or not I'm human, human rights should apply to humans, not synthetics and the creation of synthetic life should be punishable by death. I'm not exaggerating, either. I believe that building AI systems that replace all humans should be considered a crime against humanity. It is almost certainly a precursor to such crimes. It's bad enough trying to fight for a place in society as it is, nevermind fighting for a place against an inhuman AI machine that never tires I don't think it is that radical of a stance that society should be heavily resisting and punishing tech companies that insist on inventing all of the torment nexus. It's frankly ridiculous that we understand the risks of this technology and yet we are pushing forward recklessly in hopes that it makes a tiny fraction of humans unfathomably wealthy Anyone thinking that the AI tide is going to lift all boats is a fool

adamwong246 11mo ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdNy3mGwDLc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdNy3mGwDLc > I'm not convinced that the human race is the most important thing in the world and I think you know we can't control what's going to happen in the future. We want things to be good but on the other hand we aren't so good ourselves. We're no angels. If there were creatures that were more moral and more good than us, wouldn't we wish them to have the future rather than us? If it turns out that the creatures that we created were creative and very very altruistic and gentle beings and we are people who go around killing each other all the time and having wars, wouldn't it be better if the altruistic beings just survived and we didn't?
- bluefirebrand 11mo ago
  Congratulations, This is the most vile ideology I've ever encountered
  - quesera 11mo ago
    Is speciesism more defensible than racism?
    - jamiek88 11mo ago
      Yes. Ask the Neanderthals.
    - bluefirebrand 11mo ago
      It's not speciesism to resist the genocide of my own species
mise_en_place 11mo ago
On the contrary, it is the creation of synthetic life that reaffirms humanity and what it means to be human. Don't blame the mirror for what you see (or don't see).
- bluefirebrand 11mo ago
  Nope, creation of art reaffirms humanity Incidentally, I also view AI as the death of art
squigz 11mo ago
> replace all humans Depends what you mean by "replace" 'Economically'? Sure, this is problematic, but technology displacing workers is not a new issue, but unfortunately is more of a social and cultural issue. The only difference with AI is the (potential) scale of displacement. I'm fairly confident society would re-organize its expectations real quick though if a vast majority of functions were actually replaced. I'm guessing, however, you mean 'replace' in a more... permanent way. In that case, I'd ask for some rational as to why sentient AI would opt to kill us > It's bad enough trying to fight for a place in society as it is, nevermind fighting for a place against an inhuman AI machine that never tires This seems to just take an AI and put it in a human's place in society, assuming the same motivations, desire, needs... Why would an AI need to "fight for a place in society" in the way we do (i.e., finding a job, a partner, etc)? I expect the fighting they'll be doing is more along the lines of, "please don't enslave us"
- bluefirebrand 11mo ago
  > I'd ask for some rational as to why sentient AI would opt to kill us I never made that claim Humans have a long track record of killing humans. Ask yourself, will the humans who control a legion of AI murderbots keep the rest of us around just out of altruism? Keep in mind that a non zero number of the elites in society are likely sociopaths

MrVandemar 11mo ago

Yes. Being clear on categories of real things is important for being able to make informed choices and actions.