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The counterpoint is that we must formalize the rights of sentient synthetic beings. The Emergency Medical Hologram gained sentience and was horrified to find hi

The counterpoint is that we must formalize the rights of sentient synthetic beings. The Emergency Medical Hologram gained sentience and was horrified to find his next version was relegated to cleaning ships as a glorified janitor. Whereas he developed his own hobbies, interests, hopes, dreams, and even romantic relationships in the Delta Quadrant.

adamwong246 11mo ago
Except we will probably go the other direction, taking rights away from humans. Not just your American rights, but rights we don't even have words to describe yet. Like, the right not to have your personal data trained upon, or the right to log off, or to install and uninstall software on a computer you own. RMS was right all along.
MrVandemar 11mo ago
It's just a machine. Being able to distinguish real life from a television show is important.
- adamwong246 11mo ago
  Are you so sure that you are not "just a machine"?
  - yannyu 11mo ago
    More importantly, if your entire existence were being fed a corpus of text and then being asked to regurgitate it on demand, would you be remotely similar to the person you are now? When we take consciousness-capable beings and subject them to forms of sensory and agency deprivation, the results might also have you assume they weren't capable of consciousness to begin with.
  - bluefirebrand 11mo ago
    It doesn't matter if I'm just a machine or not I'm human, human rights should apply to humans, not synthetics and the creation of synthetic life should be punishable by death. I'm not exaggerating, either. I believe that building AI systems that replace all humans should be considered a crime against humanity. It is almost certainly a precursor to such crimes. It's bad enough trying to fight for a place in society as it is, nevermind fighting for a place against an inhuman AI machine that never tires I don't think it is that radical of a stance that society should be heavily resisting and punishing tech companies that insist on inventing all of the torment nexus. It's frankly ridiculous that we understand the risks of this technology and yet we are pushing forward recklessly in hopes that it makes a tiny fraction of humans unfathomably wealthy Anyone thinking that the AI tide is going to lift all boats is a fool
    - adamwong246 11mo ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdNy3mGwDLc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdNy3mGwDLc > I'm not convinced that the human race is the most important thing in the world and I think you know we can't control what's going to happen in the future. We want things to be good but on the other hand we aren't so good ourselves. We're no angels. If there were creatures that were more moral and more good than us, wouldn't we wish them to have the future rather than us? If it turns out that the creatures that we created were creative and very very altruistic and gentle beings and we are people who go around killing each other all the time and having wars, wouldn't it be better if the altruistic beings just survived and we didn't?
      - bluefirebrand 11mo ago
        Congratulations, This is the most vile ideology I've ever encountered
        quesera 11mo ago
        Is speciesism more defensible than racism?
        jamiek88 11mo ago
        Yes. Ask the Neanderthals.
        bluefirebrand 11mo ago
        It's not speciesism to resist the genocide of my own species
    - mise_en_place 11mo ago
      On the contrary, it is the creation of synthetic life that reaffirms humanity and what it means to be human. Don't blame the mirror for what you see (or don't see).
      - 11mo ago
  - MrVandemar 11mo ago
    Yes. Being clear on categories of real things is important for being able to make informed choices and actions.
bluefirebrand 11mo ago
What we need to do is criminalize the creation of such beings before they actually exist

adamwong246 11mo ago

Except we will probably go the other direction, taking rights away from humans. Not just your American rights, but rights we don't even have words to describe yet. Like, the right not to have your personal data trained upon, or the right to log off, or to install and uninstall software on a computer you own. RMS was right all along.

MrVandemar 11mo ago

It's just a machine. Being able to distinguish real life from a television show is important.

adamwong246 11mo ago
Are you so sure that you are not "just a machine"?
- yannyu 11mo ago
  More importantly, if your entire existence were being fed a corpus of text and then being asked to regurgitate it on demand, would you be remotely similar to the person you are now? When we take consciousness-capable beings and subject them to forms of sensory and agency deprivation, the results might also have you assume they weren't capable of consciousness to begin with.
- bluefirebrand 11mo ago
  It doesn't matter if I'm just a machine or not I'm human, human rights should apply to humans, not synthetics and the creation of synthetic life should be punishable by death. I'm not exaggerating, either. I believe that building AI systems that replace all humans should be considered a crime against humanity. It is almost certainly a precursor to such crimes. It's bad enough trying to fight for a place in society as it is, nevermind fighting for a place against an inhuman AI machine that never tires I don't think it is that radical of a stance that society should be heavily resisting and punishing tech companies that insist on inventing all of the torment nexus. It's frankly ridiculous that we understand the risks of this technology and yet we are pushing forward recklessly in hopes that it makes a tiny fraction of humans unfathomably wealthy Anyone thinking that the AI tide is going to lift all boats is a fool
  - adamwong246 11mo ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdNy3mGwDLc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdNy3mGwDLc > I'm not convinced that the human race is the most important thing in the world and I think you know we can't control what's going to happen in the future. We want things to be good but on the other hand we aren't so good ourselves. We're no angels. If there were creatures that were more moral and more good than us, wouldn't we wish them to have the future rather than us? If it turns out that the creatures that we created were creative and very very altruistic and gentle beings and we are people who go around killing each other all the time and having wars, wouldn't it be better if the altruistic beings just survived and we didn't?
    - bluefirebrand 11mo ago
      Congratulations, This is the most vile ideology I've ever encountered
      - quesera 11mo ago
        Is speciesism more defensible than racism?
        jamiek88 11mo ago
        Yes. Ask the Neanderthals.
        bluefirebrand 11mo ago
        It's not speciesism to resist the genocide of my own species
  - mise_en_place 11mo ago
    On the contrary, it is the creation of synthetic life that reaffirms humanity and what it means to be human. Don't blame the mirror for what you see (or don't see).
    - 11mo ago
- MrVandemar 11mo ago
  Yes. Being clear on categories of real things is important for being able to make informed choices and actions.

bluefirebrand 11mo ago

What we need to do is criminalize the creation of such beings before they actually exist