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This is a response to this piece by John Callaham: http://www.neowin.net/news/notch-dont-be-a-hypocrite-about-minecraft-and-windows-8 http://www.neowin.net/news

by praptak 14y ago

This is a response to this piece by John Callaham: http://www.neowin.net/news/notch-dont-be-a-hypocrite-about-minecraft-and-windows-8 http://www.neowin.net/news/notch-dont-be-a-hypocrite-about-m...

arkitaip 14y ago
Pretty pathetic by both Callaham and notch.
simias 14y ago
After reading this I still don't get what Notch's getting at with his "goat raping" joke. I didn't feel like John Callaham's editorial was that violent.
- masklinn 14y ago
  > After reading this I still don't get what Notch's getting at with his "goat raping" joke. Lies about other people and their stance. Callaham chides notch supposed hypocrisy regarding closed v open, but notch never said he minds closed platforms (he uses them and publishes on them), he said he minds the PC getting closed off, as it breaks a path to indiedom (which he knows about, since he needed it to make Minecraft in the first place, a 2 years alpha/beta taking money the whole way would never have flown on closed stores, as far as I can see) The goat raping thing is a strawman, just as Callaham's "notch hypocrisy" is one.
  - lmm 14y ago
    notch never said he minds closed platforms (he uses them and publishes on them), he said he minds the PC getting closed off I think that's a distinction without a difference. In what sense is an ipad, or a PS3, not a PC?
    - masklinn 14y ago
      > In what sense is an ipad, or a PS3, not a PC? In the sense that you can't tinker with the software (let alone replace it) on-board from the device itself, short of having preemptively forced said device open from a third-party device. They don't provide any way to bootstrap yourself to a higher level of knowledge, or even to a business. And you remain at the mercy of the platform's gatekeeper. Not so with the a PC.
      - lmm 14y ago
        >In the sense that you can't tinker with the software (let alone replace it) on-board from the device itself, short of having preemptively forced said device open from a third-party device. They don't provide any way to bootstrap yourself to a higher level of knowledge, or even to a business. And you remain at the mercy of the platform's gatekeeper. Right, but all that would be equally true of a putative locked-down windows 8 device. I don't understand how notch can oppose the one but support the other.
        masklinn 14y ago
        Because the "putative locked-down windows 8 device" is a big step towards removing the open-device PC by closing off that platform as well, and that is the issue Notch has with W8.
        lmm 14y ago
        I think the ipad is equally well trying to remove the open-device PC from most homes.
        mcosta 14y ago
        Trying... I see more danger in a drm-only windows 8 than the one comming form the ipad. I mean, the ipad is going to hurt the sales, but microsoft cant hurt the core itself. Think about vinyls. CD replaced them. But are alive. But what would happen if the manufacturers start to make dj tables without crossfaders?
  - simias 14y ago
    I don't think it's a strawman, Notch doesn't explain why he's ok with some closed platforms and not others, besides the fact that he "cares a lot about his PC". Moreover, Minecraft is not exactly "open" itself, it's not open source and even used to be pretty hostile towards modders (even though that is changing, but I don't know how much notch is involved with minecraft these days). So I think it's fair to call him a bit hypocritical when he suddenly gets on his high horse "RMS style" about software freedom (but only on the PC and only for the operating system). And replying to this by using a "goat rape" argument is beyond childish, I don't think that's a very good way to get his point across.
    - masklinn 14y ago
      > I don't think it's a strawman, Notch doesn't explain why he's ok with some closed platforms and not others Which has nothing to do with the strawman. The strawman is "notch says all platforms should be open (nb: he never said that) but he publishes on closed platforms, therefore he's a hypocrite". As to why "some and not others", it's not "some and not others" it's "the PC is an open platform, it offers amazing opportunities (nb: Notch got his start from this open platform after all, and it looks like he's not forgotten it yet), I have no desire to see the door closed after getting through".

by praptak 14y ago

This is a response to this piece by John Callaham: http://www.neowin.net/news/notch-dont-be-a-hypocrite-about-minecraft-and-windows-8 http://www.neowin.net/news/notch-dont-be-a-hypocrite-about-m...

arkitaip 14y ago

Pretty pathetic by both Callaham and notch.

simias 14y ago

After reading this I still don't get what Notch's getting at with his "goat raping" joke. I didn't feel like John Callaham's editorial was that violent.

masklinn 14y ago
> After reading this I still don't get what Notch's getting at with his "goat raping" joke. Lies about other people and their stance. Callaham chides notch supposed hypocrisy regarding closed v open, but notch never said he minds closed platforms (he uses them and publishes on them), he said he minds the PC getting closed off, as it breaks a path to indiedom (which he knows about, since he needed it to make Minecraft in the first place, a 2 years alpha/beta taking money the whole way would never have flown on closed stores, as far as I can see) The goat raping thing is a strawman, just as Callaham's "notch hypocrisy" is one.
- lmm 14y ago
  notch never said he minds closed platforms (he uses them and publishes on them), he said he minds the PC getting closed off I think that's a distinction without a difference. In what sense is an ipad, or a PS3, not a PC?
  - masklinn 14y ago
    > In what sense is an ipad, or a PS3, not a PC? In the sense that you can't tinker with the software (let alone replace it) on-board from the device itself, short of having preemptively forced said device open from a third-party device. They don't provide any way to bootstrap yourself to a higher level of knowledge, or even to a business. And you remain at the mercy of the platform's gatekeeper. Not so with the a PC.
    - lmm 14y ago
      >In the sense that you can't tinker with the software (let alone replace it) on-board from the device itself, short of having preemptively forced said device open from a third-party device. They don't provide any way to bootstrap yourself to a higher level of knowledge, or even to a business. And you remain at the mercy of the platform's gatekeeper. Right, but all that would be equally true of a putative locked-down windows 8 device. I don't understand how notch can oppose the one but support the other.
      - masklinn 14y ago
        Because the "putative locked-down windows 8 device" is a big step towards removing the open-device PC by closing off that platform as well, and that is the issue Notch has with W8.
        lmm 14y ago
        I think the ipad is equally well trying to remove the open-device PC from most homes.
        mcosta 14y ago
        Trying... I see more danger in a drm-only windows 8 than the one comming form the ipad. I mean, the ipad is going to hurt the sales, but microsoft cant hurt the core itself. Think about vinyls. CD replaced them. But are alive. But what would happen if the manufacturers start to make dj tables without crossfaders?
- simias 14y ago
  I don't think it's a strawman, Notch doesn't explain why he's ok with some closed platforms and not others, besides the fact that he "cares a lot about his PC". Moreover, Minecraft is not exactly "open" itself, it's not open source and even used to be pretty hostile towards modders (even though that is changing, but I don't know how much notch is involved with minecraft these days). So I think it's fair to call him a bit hypocritical when he suddenly gets on his high horse "RMS style" about software freedom (but only on the PC and only for the operating system). And replying to this by using a "goat rape" argument is beyond childish, I don't think that's a very good way to get his point across.
  - masklinn 14y ago
    > I don't think it's a strawman, Notch doesn't explain why he's ok with some closed platforms and not others Which has nothing to do with the strawman. The strawman is "notch says all platforms should be open (nb: he never said that) but he publishes on closed platforms, therefore he's a hypocrite". As to why "some and not others", it's not "some and not others" it's "the PC is an open platform, it offers amazing opportunities (nb: Notch got his start from this open platform after all, and it looks like he's not forgotten it yet), I have no desire to see the door closed after getting through".