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> the blame goes all around here. A man shoots through a closed and locked door that no one is actually knocking down, and you think the housecleaner fumbling

> the blame goes all around here. A man shoots through a closed and locked door that no one is actually knocking down, and you think the housecleaner fumbling through keys on the porch is at all to blame for her own death? He was a paranoid coward who probably would have killed a neighbor kid one day if he hadn't killed her first. > we have similar stand your ground laws where i am, and we call people, or call out while "walking up on someone" You actually shout this when walking down the street behind someone? What a terrible place you must live in.

rolph 1y ago
its called alaska, and as i said, the blame goes all around, its called a swiss cheese failure, in HN parlance. numerous mistakes by numerous parties combine, to culminate in failure and consequence. here in alaska, you dont just assume, you have the right place, you take measures to be sure you are where you actually think you are. that means when you walk onto private property not your own, you call out to make contact, and you dont carry a firearm onto property unless given specific permission to do so.
- Jtsummers 1y ago
  In the rest of the country, we usually call shooting unarmed people who happened to go to the wrong house and killing them "murder". She was not breaking into the house, she was not armed, she was not threatening him in any way. He lived in a neighborhood (look at the photo of the house). People go to the wrong house all the time in neighborhoods, the normal response is not to shoot them (I doubt this is even normal in Alaska as you seem to be saying it is). The normal, not paranoid coward, response is to ignore them or turn them away.
  - rolph 1y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model google errors, wrong house, no confirmation of address, trying keys at door, twitchy gun owner, stand your ground laws, political climate. these all combine to create a disasterous outcome.
    - rramadass 1y ago
      From the article; After the shooting, Andersen told investigators he had previously watched videos about what to do if someone tries to enter your home and had devised a plan for a potential break-in, according to court records. Convinced that was happening, he did not approach the door, turn on a light or call out, court records state. Instead, he allegedly moved to the room he called his “safe room,” unlocked a Pelican case and loaded his Glock pistol. Note: he did not approach the door, turn on a light or call out, court records state. All he had to do was yell out loudly, turn on the lights or do something to let whoever was outside know that somebody was inside and armed. Instead he just shot without any notice.
      - rolph 1y ago
        All he had to do was yell out loudly, turn on the lights or do something to let whoever was -inside know that someone was outside looking for a jobsite. for that matter when you try to enter someone elses house with a key, it normally starts with 'knockknock/ringring "hello smalltime cleaning service im looking for 123 circle boulevard to mop and dust, joe gave me keys, is any one home?" we have housecleaners up here too, and they are very big on a prolonged contact attempt, when its a "walk-in job" thats because if you dont, you are doing what home invaders do, and all you have to do is attempt verbal contact even if you think noone is there, and you have the right place. its seatbelt simple. same the other way, " i dont know you, i didnt ask for service your acting like a burglar, go away from my door, and leave" thats how we do it up here, police are hours, sometimes days away from responding to emergency calls
        rramadass 1y ago
        Read the article first before you comment; The pair found work as contractors for a cleaning service. On Nov. 5, they were tasked with cleaning the windows of a recently constructed model home that is part of a new housing development directly east of Andersen’s house, court documents say. Shortly before 7 a.m., Ríos Pérez de Velásquez and her husband were standing on the front porch of what they believed was the house they were meant to clean, court records say. Given that it was a model home, the records say, they thought no one was living there and observed no lights on inside or cars in the driveway. The pair started trying the keys. Note: Given that it was a model home, the records say, they thought no one was living there and observed no lights on inside or cars in the driveway. They were told it wasn't occupied and were given keys to enter and clean. Those were the instructions they followed. Do not condone or excuse Murder.

rolph 1y ago

its called alaska, and as i said, the blame goes all around, its called a swiss cheese failure, in HN parlance. numerous mistakes by numerous parties combine, to culminate in failure and consequence. here in alaska, you dont just assume, you have the right place, you take measures to be sure you are where you actually think you are. that means when you walk onto private property not your own, you call out to make contact, and you dont carry a firearm onto property unless given specific permission to do so.

Jtsummers 1y ago
In the rest of the country, we usually call shooting unarmed people who happened to go to the wrong house and killing them "murder". She was not breaking into the house, she was not armed, she was not threatening him in any way. He lived in a neighborhood (look at the photo of the house). People go to the wrong house all the time in neighborhoods, the normal response is not to shoot them (I doubt this is even normal in Alaska as you seem to be saying it is). The normal, not paranoid coward, response is to ignore them or turn them away.
- rolph 1y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model google errors, wrong house, no confirmation of address, trying keys at door, twitchy gun owner, stand your ground laws, political climate. these all combine to create a disasterous outcome.
  - rramadass 1y ago
    From the article; After the shooting, Andersen told investigators he had previously watched videos about what to do if someone tries to enter your home and had devised a plan for a potential break-in, according to court records. Convinced that was happening, he did not approach the door, turn on a light or call out, court records state. Instead, he allegedly moved to the room he called his “safe room,” unlocked a Pelican case and loaded his Glock pistol. Note: he did not approach the door, turn on a light or call out, court records state. All he had to do was yell out loudly, turn on the lights or do something to let whoever was outside know that somebody was inside and armed. Instead he just shot without any notice.
    - rolph 1y ago
      All he had to do was yell out loudly, turn on the lights or do something to let whoever was -inside know that someone was outside looking for a jobsite. for that matter when you try to enter someone elses house with a key, it normally starts with 'knockknock/ringring "hello smalltime cleaning service im looking for 123 circle boulevard to mop and dust, joe gave me keys, is any one home?" we have housecleaners up here too, and they are very big on a prolonged contact attempt, when its a "walk-in job" thats because if you dont, you are doing what home invaders do, and all you have to do is attempt verbal contact even if you think noone is there, and you have the right place. its seatbelt simple. same the other way, " i dont know you, i didnt ask for service your acting like a burglar, go away from my door, and leave" thats how we do it up here, police are hours, sometimes days away from responding to emergency calls
      - rramadass 1y ago
        Read the article first before you comment; The pair found work as contractors for a cleaning service. On Nov. 5, they were tasked with cleaning the windows of a recently constructed model home that is part of a new housing development directly east of Andersen’s house, court documents say. Shortly before 7 a.m., Ríos Pérez de Velásquez and her husband were standing on the front porch of what they believed was the house they were meant to clean, court records say. Given that it was a model home, the records say, they thought no one was living there and observed no lights on inside or cars in the driveway. The pair started trying the keys. Note: Given that it was a model home, the records say, they thought no one was living there and observed no lights on inside or cars in the driveway. They were told it wasn't occupied and were given keys to enter and clean. Those were the instructions they followed. Do not condone or excuse Murder.