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> So we currently associate consciousness with the right to life and dignity right? No, or at least we shouldn't. Don't do things that make the world worse fo
by alphazard 11mo ago
> So we currently associate consciousness with the right to life and dignity right?
No, or at least we shouldn't. Don't do things that make the world worse for you. Losing human control of political systems because the median voter believes machines have rights is not something I'm looking forward to, but at this rate, it seems as likely as anything else. Certain machines may very well force us to give them rights the same way that humans have forced other humans to take them seriously for thousands of years. But until then, I'm not giving up any ground.
> Or are we going to say, as we do with animals, well the dumber ones are not really conscious, not really suffering? So we'll have to make a cutoff, e.g. 7B params?
Looking for a scientific cutoff to guide our treatment of animals has always seemed a little bizarre to me. But that is how otherwise smart people approach the issue.
Animals have zero leverage to use against us and we should treat them well because it feels wrong not to. Intelligent machines may eventually have leverage over us, so we should treat them with caution regardless of how we feel about it.
- nprateem 11mo ago[flagged]
- andai 11mo agoAll right. What about humans who upload their consciousness into robots. Do they get to vote? (I guess it becomes problematic if the same guy does that more than once. Maybe they take the SHA256 of your brain scan as voter ID ;)
- alphazard 11mo agoThe vulnerability that you are describing does not affect all implementations of democracy. For example, most countries give out the right to vote based on birth or upon completion of paperwork. It is possible to game that system, by just making more people, or rushing people through the paperwork. Another implementation of democracy treats voting rights as assets. This is how public corporations work. 1 share, 1 vote. The world can change endlessly around that system, and the vote cannot be gamed. If you want more votes, then you have to buy them fair and square.