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Well, what is your alternative definition of welfare state that implies it has been hollowed out versus the one before the 80ies despite massive increase in fun

by sershe 11mo ago

Well, what is your alternative definition of welfare state that implies it has been hollowed out versus the one before the 80ies despite massive increase in funding? You so far have provided zero data on either welfare state or living standards. Or tax burden on the rich, that has stayed stable or increased thru the main bogeyman, the 80ies top rate cuts.

littlestymaar 11mo ago
Maybe you should try spending a little more time reading about basic stuff (like what is “welfare state” or “working class”) before having strong opinions and waste time in internet arguments. Claiming you back your argument with data is a bit awkward when you admit don't even understand the basic concepts. But hey, you do you.
- sershe 11mo ago
  Ah, here comes the adhominem again with zero info. Your delusions do not work for any reasonable definition of working class or welfare state. In one thing you are right; long long time ago, when I had too much free time, I spent some of it arguing with creationists. Compared to that, arguing with modern leftists is a waste of time - the latter are so much less connected to reality.
  - littlestymaar 11mo ago
    Here's your “Everybody else is a leftist” award.
    - sershe 11mo ago
      Sure, collectivist. You all look the same to me :D creationists come think of it had more variety, too. When someone talks about cheap toasters taking jobs I couldn't tell if it's Vance or Warren without a picture
      - littlestymaar 11mo ago
        It's very funny to be compared to “creationists” by someone who refuse to believe the most basic biological fact about the human species: that we are social animals. There's no such thing as a non-collective human society. What shape should this collective have and what should be its rules are legitimate questions, but denying its existence is akin to believing in flat earth or intelligent design actually.
        sershe 11mo ago
        Another vacuous statement with no relevance to previous claims. Human societies existed for ages without, for example, any welfare state to speak of, while also being much more collectivist in a way distinct from modern statism. So what? As of the time frame relevant to the discussion, welfare state still grows nearly non stop, living standards for most are improving nearly non stop, and the tax burden on the rich is, at least, not decreasing much. I'm still right and you are still saying nothing but vibes, vague insults and platitudes. And data unrelated to specific claims, I guess. Like nearly all modern left/rightists, and bottom-tier creationists back in the aughts.
        littlestymaar 11mo ago
        > Human societies existed for ages without, for example, any welfare state to speak of, while also being much more collectivist in a way distinct from modern statism. So what? Calling anyone a “collectivist” as you did is akin to calling someone an “evolutionist” or a “round-earther”. Like it or not, but we're all the product of collective structures. And if you're not a “collectivist” then you are just the kind of science denial type you despite. > As of the time frame relevant to the discussion, welfare state still grows nearly non stop No it didn't. Just quoting social security spendings isn't going to change the fact that the welfare state framework has been replaced by a new one during the 80s. > living standards for most are improving nearly non stop If, as CPI does, you value mobile phones the same way you value healthcare and housing, then yes. Otherwise it unfortunately did not (hence Trump or Mamdani) > I'm still right and you are still saying nothing but vibes, vague insults and platitudes You've been the only one insulting the other in this discussion. And I unfortunately can't say you've reached above platitudes level either. > Like nearly all modern left/rightist Funny how anyone not agreeing with you must be either a socialist or a MAGA. At least your inability to perceive nuances in political opinions is coherent with your inability to understand the nuances of the economy and society you live in. You certainly like to write, but you should read more. Good day.

by sershe 11mo ago

littlestymaar 11mo ago

Maybe you should try spending a little more time reading about basic stuff (like what is “welfare state” or “working class”) before having strong opinions and waste time in internet arguments. Claiming you back your argument with data is a bit awkward when you admit don't even understand the basic concepts. But hey, you do you.

sershe 11mo ago
Ah, here comes the adhominem again with zero info. Your delusions do not work for any reasonable definition of working class or welfare state. In one thing you are right; long long time ago, when I had too much free time, I spent some of it arguing with creationists. Compared to that, arguing with modern leftists is a waste of time - the latter are so much less connected to reality.
- littlestymaar 11mo ago
  Here's your “Everybody else is a leftist” award.
  - sershe 11mo ago
    Sure, collectivist. You all look the same to me :D creationists come think of it had more variety, too. When someone talks about cheap toasters taking jobs I couldn't tell if it's Vance or Warren without a picture
    - littlestymaar 11mo ago
      It's very funny to be compared to “creationists” by someone who refuse to believe the most basic biological fact about the human species: that we are social animals. There's no such thing as a non-collective human society. What shape should this collective have and what should be its rules are legitimate questions, but denying its existence is akin to believing in flat earth or intelligent design actually.
      - sershe 11mo ago
        Another vacuous statement with no relevance to previous claims. Human societies existed for ages without, for example, any welfare state to speak of, while also being much more collectivist in a way distinct from modern statism. So what? As of the time frame relevant to the discussion, welfare state still grows nearly non stop, living standards for most are improving nearly non stop, and the tax burden on the rich is, at least, not decreasing much. I'm still right and you are still saying nothing but vibes, vague insults and platitudes. And data unrelated to specific claims, I guess. Like nearly all modern left/rightists, and bottom-tier creationists back in the aughts.
        littlestymaar 11mo ago
        > Human societies existed for ages without, for example, any welfare state to speak of, while also being much more collectivist in a way distinct from modern statism. So what? Calling anyone a “collectivist” as you did is akin to calling someone an “evolutionist” or a “round-earther”. Like it or not, but we're all the product of collective structures. And if you're not a “collectivist” then you are just the kind of science denial type you despite. > As of the time frame relevant to the discussion, welfare state still grows nearly non stop No it didn't. Just quoting social security spendings isn't going to change the fact that the welfare state framework has been replaced by a new one during the 80s. > living standards for most are improving nearly non stop If, as CPI does, you value mobile phones the same way you value healthcare and housing, then yes. Otherwise it unfortunately did not (hence Trump or Mamdani) > I'm still right and you are still saying nothing but vibes, vague insults and platitudes You've been the only one insulting the other in this discussion. And I unfortunately can't say you've reached above platitudes level either. > Like nearly all modern left/rightist Funny how anyone not agreeing with you must be either a socialist or a MAGA. At least your inability to perceive nuances in political opinions is coherent with your inability to understand the nuances of the economy and society you live in. You certainly like to write, but you should read more. Good day.