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> no protests in the streets The No Kings protest was estimated at 7 million people.

embedding-shape 1y ago
I'm not sure what the purpose is to go out on the streets for half a day, then everyone goes back inside and continue like nothing ever happen? Go out, stay out until change is enacted. It's called striking, and if you had any sort of good unions, they'd be planning a general strike for a long time, and it should go on until you get change. You know, like how other "modern" countries do it when the politicians forget who they actually work for.
- bryanlarsen 1y ago
  General strikes weren't particularly common in the 60's in the US and those protests were considered widespread and effective.
  - kelipso 1y ago
    The No Kings “general strikes” consist almost entirely of retired people. I’m sure I saw anyone under 60 in those protests.
    - embedding-shape 1y ago
      I'm not sure if you're mixing things, or if I missed anything, but the "No Kings" things were protests, not a "strike" and very far from being a "general strike". Those practices are very different from just "protesting".
    - cptroot 1y ago
      This is strictly false. Plenty of working age people went, and many brought their children.
- Aloisius 1y ago
  Employers can fire you in the US for general strikes. You're only protected if you're striking for grievances against the company, not for solidarity actions. Indeed, unions can be dissolved for it. Add in how large the US is, it's population size, distribution, how far most people live from Washington D.C. and a cultural knee-jerk response to anything remotely seen as bullying of digging their heels in or fight back means they're far, far more difficult to do effectively here than in "modern" countries.
  - embedding-shape 1y ago
    > Employers can fire you in the US for general strikes. You're only protected if you're striking for grievances against the company, not for solidarity actions. Indeed, unions can be dissolved for it. Yeah, but thankfully, solidarity kind of solves that, as people fired from their jobs because they're striking would be supported by the community. But, if the country doesn't have a history of having built such a community, often with big help from socialist and left-leaning groups, the options you have available today are kind of few. But best day for it is today, even if yesterday wasn't very good.
pessimizer 1y ago
The "No Kings" protest had absolutely no subject or issue other than repeating Trump's name. What would it have meant for it to have been successful? What I mean by that is what could "X" be in the sentence: "If X policy had changed, the No Kings rallies would have accomplished one of their goals"? It was just an astroturfed Democratic party rally that drummed up participation by mass text spam from Indian call centers. The turnout was positively geriatric. Incidentally, the Democratic Party has started running into a severe issue with text spammers and fake orgs asking for donations and raking in millions, and the people doing it are people who are actually involved with the party. Those Constant Texts Asking You to Donate to Democrats Are Scams https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/mothership-strategies-democratic-consultants-fundraising-pleas/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/mothership-strate... The Mothership Vortex: An Investigation Into the Firm at the Heart of the Democratic Spam Machine https://data4democracy.substack.com/p/the-mothership-vortex-an-investigation https://data4democracy.substack.com/p/the-mothership-vortex-...

I'm not sure what the purpose is to go out on the streets for half a day, then everyone goes back inside and continue like nothing ever happen? Go out, stay out until change is enacted. It's called striking, and if you had any sort of good unions, they'd be planning a general strike for a long time, and it should go on until you get change. You know, like how other "modern" countries do it when the politicians forget who they actually work for.

bryanlarsen 1y ago
General strikes weren't particularly common in the 60's in the US and those protests were considered widespread and effective.
- kelipso 1y ago
  The No Kings “general strikes” consist almost entirely of retired people. I’m sure I saw anyone under 60 in those protests.
  - embedding-shape 1y ago
    I'm not sure if you're mixing things, or if I missed anything, but the "No Kings" things were protests, not a "strike" and very far from being a "general strike". Those practices are very different from just "protesting".
  - cptroot 1y ago
    This is strictly false. Plenty of working age people went, and many brought their children.
Aloisius 1y ago
Employers can fire you in the US for general strikes. You're only protected if you're striking for grievances against the company, not for solidarity actions. Indeed, unions can be dissolved for it. Add in how large the US is, it's population size, distribution, how far most people live from Washington D.C. and a cultural knee-jerk response to anything remotely seen as bullying of digging their heels in or fight back means they're far, far more difficult to do effectively here than in "modern" countries.
- embedding-shape 1y ago
  > Employers can fire you in the US for general strikes. You're only protected if you're striking for grievances against the company, not for solidarity actions. Indeed, unions can be dissolved for it. Yeah, but thankfully, solidarity kind of solves that, as people fired from their jobs because they're striking would be supported by the community. But, if the country doesn't have a history of having built such a community, often with big help from socialist and left-leaning groups, the options you have available today are kind of few. But best day for it is today, even if yesterday wasn't very good.

pessimizer 1y ago

The "No Kings" protest had absolutely no subject or issue other than repeating Trump's name. What would it have meant for it to have been successful? What I mean by that is what could "X" be in the sentence: "If X policy had changed, the No Kings rallies would have accomplished one of their goals"? It was just an astroturfed Democratic party rally that drummed up participation by mass text spam from Indian call centers. The turnout was positively geriatric. Incidentally, the Democratic Party has started running into a severe issue with text spammers and fake orgs asking for donations and raking in millions, and the people doing it are people who are actually involved with the party. Those Constant Texts Asking You to Donate to Democrats Are Scams https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/mothership-strategies-democratic-consultants-fundraising-pleas/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/mothership-strate... The Mothership Vortex: An Investigation Into the Firm at the Heart of the Democratic Spam Machine https://data4democracy.substack.com/p/the-mothership-vortex-an-investigation https://data4democracy.substack.com/p/the-mothership-vortex-...