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all of the above is true, but just to be clear about who we're discussing, weev is a genuine neo-nazi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev#Alt-right_affiliations

by bjord 11mo ago

all of the above is true, but just to be clear about who we're discussing, weev is a genuine neo-nazi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev#Alt-right_affiliations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev#Alt-right_affiliations

zidad 11mo ago
Sure, but clearly that is not a requirement to be sanctioned nowadays, it just shows how f*d you are when you DO get sanctioned, and the bar for that is lowering by the day it seems.
- bjord 11mo ago
  not arguing with the primary issue at hand, I just don't think we should be using a neo-nazi as the example
  - mothballed 11mo ago
    The defense of the rights of alleged neo-nazis are a big reason why we have free-er speech in America. The ACLU defended them (see skokie nazis) and helped ensure more free speech in public forums. Dismissing the rights of alleged nazis is how rights get destroyed for everyone, although now in USA we use it for say allegedly "illegal" aliens or people that look foreign. I assert, they are a perfect example.
mothballed 11mo ago
Weev might be a real neo-nazi, but to be clear, right now an entire country (Ukraine) has also been claimed of being neo-nazis and life-altering state action taken against them without some due process to determine they are. Weev hasn't been convicted of anything serious (nor I think anything at all) that has stuck.
- bjord 11mo ago
  I'm not editorializing here. here's one of many examples: "Please, Donald Trump, kill the Jews, down to the last woman and child. Leave nothing left of the Jewish menace..." re: ukraine, I'm not sure how that's remotely relevant here and frankly I think you're doing ukrainians a profound disservice by comparing the two if you look at my background, you'll see I understand this better than most
  - mothballed 11mo ago
    Are you unaware that the exact same justification was used to attack the Ukrainian people? Your position here is weev is an actual neo-nazi while the Ukrainian people are not. I concede you are likely correct, and it is frankly obvious I'm not making the case they are compared as both being neo-nazis. It is still relevant because the failure mode is still paralleled, an accusation of neo-nazi and then serious state action taken without objective due process to ensure it is true. By dismissing and frankly belittling my statement, you are falling for the same trap that justified so many dead Ukrainians.
    - mrguyorama 11mo ago
      The difference is, when Russia and dumb US citizens say "Ukraine is a Nazis state" 1) they are outright lying and 2) Russians do not think of "Nazis" as meaning the same as what the rest of the world understands. Russians do not hate the Nazis for being genociding freaks, they hate them for being backstabbers. Weev meanwhile is just a fucking Nazi. This exact thread is about a person who is not a Nazi facing persecution, and yet you go out of your way to use a literal and explicit Nazi as your example. In fact, nearly every time I see people make this kind of "Oh it could happen to you, it happened to <X>" they seem to pick people who are damn Nazis. Gee, I wonder why those are the cases they know about?
      - peterfirefly 11mo ago
        SPLC seems to be the main source for that Wikipedia section. I don't trust them at all. They are known liars. Secondly, where are his (justified!) rantings about the unfairness of the Treaty of Versailles? Being nasty (or even evil) is not the same as being a Nazi. Being virulently anti-Jewish is not the same as being a Nazi. Belonging either in a mental institution (without internet access) or belonging in a prison (still without internet access) is not the same as being a Nazi. There are so many different kinds of evil in this world. Don't pretend they are all Nazis.
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graemep 11mo ago
He is nasty, but the problem is that the US can do it to anyone they please - as this case shows. They have previously sanctioned other people within the ICC - the prosecutor and deputy prosecutor.
qingcharles 11mo ago
"It is a fair summary of history to say that the safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not-very nice people."
- habinero 11mo ago
  weev is not some dude with "not-nice" views. He's a sociopath who, among other things, threatened Kathy Sierra with rape and murder and published her address to his online fans to do the same. He would put her address on Craigslist and claim she was a sex worker. He definitely deserves what he got.

by bjord 11mo ago

zidad 11mo ago

Sure, but clearly that is not a requirement to be sanctioned nowadays, it just shows how f*d you are when you DO get sanctioned, and the bar for that is lowering by the day it seems.

bjord 11mo ago
not arguing with the primary issue at hand, I just don't think we should be using a neo-nazi as the example
- mothballed 11mo ago
  The defense of the rights of alleged neo-nazis are a big reason why we have free-er speech in America. The ACLU defended them (see skokie nazis) and helped ensure more free speech in public forums. Dismissing the rights of alleged nazis is how rights get destroyed for everyone, although now in USA we use it for say allegedly "illegal" aliens or people that look foreign. I assert, they are a perfect example.

mothballed 11mo ago

Weev might be a real neo-nazi, but to be clear, right now an entire country (Ukraine) has also been claimed of being neo-nazis and life-altering state action taken against them without some due process to determine they are. Weev hasn't been convicted of anything serious (nor I think anything at all) that has stuck.

bjord 11mo ago
I'm not editorializing here. here's one of many examples: "Please, Donald Trump, kill the Jews, down to the last woman and child. Leave nothing left of the Jewish menace..." re: ukraine, I'm not sure how that's remotely relevant here and frankly I think you're doing ukrainians a profound disservice by comparing the two if you look at my background, you'll see I understand this better than most
- mothballed 11mo ago
  Are you unaware that the exact same justification was used to attack the Ukrainian people? Your position here is weev is an actual neo-nazi while the Ukrainian people are not. I concede you are likely correct, and it is frankly obvious I'm not making the case they are compared as both being neo-nazis. It is still relevant because the failure mode is still paralleled, an accusation of neo-nazi and then serious state action taken without objective due process to ensure it is true. By dismissing and frankly belittling my statement, you are falling for the same trap that justified so many dead Ukrainians.
  - mrguyorama 11mo ago
    The difference is, when Russia and dumb US citizens say "Ukraine is a Nazis state" 1) they are outright lying and 2) Russians do not think of "Nazis" as meaning the same as what the rest of the world understands. Russians do not hate the Nazis for being genociding freaks, they hate them for being backstabbers. Weev meanwhile is just a fucking Nazi. This exact thread is about a person who is not a Nazi facing persecution, and yet you go out of your way to use a literal and explicit Nazi as your example. In fact, nearly every time I see people make this kind of "Oh it could happen to you, it happened to <X>" they seem to pick people who are damn Nazis. Gee, I wonder why those are the cases they know about?
    - peterfirefly 11mo ago
      SPLC seems to be the main source for that Wikipedia section. I don't trust them at all. They are known liars. Secondly, where are his (justified!) rantings about the unfairness of the Treaty of Versailles? Being nasty (or even evil) is not the same as being a Nazi. Being virulently anti-Jewish is not the same as being a Nazi. Belonging either in a mental institution (without internet access) or belonging in a prison (still without internet access) is not the same as being a Nazi. There are so many different kinds of evil in this world. Don't pretend they are all Nazis.

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graemep 11mo ago

He is nasty, but the problem is that the US can do it to anyone they please - as this case shows. They have previously sanctioned other people within the ICC - the prosecutor and deputy prosecutor.

qingcharles 11mo ago

"It is a fair summary of history to say that the safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not-very nice people."

habinero 11mo ago
weev is not some dude with "not-nice" views. He's a sociopath who, among other things, threatened Kathy Sierra with rape and murder and published her address to his online fans to do the same. He would put her address on Craigslist and claim she was a sex worker. He definitely deserves what he got.