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Almost every bank in FATF white and gray list countries use the dollar in some way, so although your actions will help, in the end if you're sanctioned and you

Almost every bank in FATF white and gray list countries use the dollar in some way, so although your actions will help, in the end if you're sanctioned and you depend on traditional finance systems you are fucked. There is a guy on here, weev (username rabite) who was soft sanctioned by the US and can't use banks that transact in the dollar. Last I read of his comments, he was in Ukraine or Transnistria, surviving off of crypto and direct rents from crypto purchased real estate.

bjord 1y ago
all of the above is true, but just to be clear about who we're discussing, weev is a genuine neo-nazi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev#Alt-right_affiliations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev#Alt-right_affiliations
- zidad 1y ago
  Sure, but clearly that is not a requirement to be sanctioned nowadays, it just shows how f*d you are when you DO get sanctioned, and the bar for that is lowering by the day it seems.
  - bjord 1y ago
    not arguing with the primary issue at hand, I just don't think we should be using a neo-nazi as the example
    - mothballed 1y ago
      The defense of the rights of alleged neo-nazis are a big reason why we have free-er speech in America. The ACLU defended them (see skokie nazis) and helped ensure more free speech in public forums. Dismissing the rights of alleged nazis is how rights get destroyed for everyone, although now in USA we use it for say allegedly "illegal" aliens or people that look foreign. I assert, they are a perfect example.
- mothballed 1y ago
  Weev might be a real neo-nazi, but to be clear, right now an entire country (Ukraine) has also been claimed of being neo-nazis and life-altering state action taken against them without some due process to determine they are. Weev hasn't been convicted of anything serious (nor I think anything at all) that has stuck.
  - bjord 1y ago
    I'm not editorializing here. here's one of many examples: "Please, Donald Trump, kill the Jews, down to the last woman and child. Leave nothing left of the Jewish menace..." re: ukraine, I'm not sure how that's remotely relevant here and frankly I think you're doing ukrainians a profound disservice by comparing the two if you look at my background, you'll see I understand this better than most
    - mothballed 1y ago
      Are you unaware that the exact same justification was used to attack the Ukrainian people? Your position here is weev is an actual neo-nazi while the Ukrainian people are not. I concede you are likely correct, and it is frankly obvious I'm not making the case they are compared as both being neo-nazis. It is still relevant because the failure mode is still paralleled, an accusation of neo-nazi and then serious state action taken without objective due process to ensure it is true. By dismissing and frankly belittling my statement, you are falling for the same trap that justified so many dead Ukrainians.
      - mrguyorama 1y ago
        The difference is, when Russia and dumb US citizens say "Ukraine is a Nazis state" 1) they are outright lying and 2) Russians do not think of "Nazis" as meaning the same as what the rest of the world understands. Russians do not hate the Nazis for being genociding freaks, they hate them for being backstabbers. Weev meanwhile is just a fucking Nazi. This exact thread is about a person who is not a Nazi facing persecution, and yet you go out of your way to use a literal and explicit Nazi as your example. In fact, nearly every time I see people make this kind of "Oh it could happen to you, it happened to <X>" they seem to pick people who are damn Nazis. Gee, I wonder why those are the cases they know about?
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- graemep 1y ago
  He is nasty, but the problem is that the US can do it to anyone they please - as this case shows. They have previously sanctioned other people within the ICC - the prosecutor and deputy prosecutor.
- qingcharles 1y ago
  "It is a fair summary of history to say that the safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not-very nice people."
  - habinero 1y ago
    weev is not some dude with "not-nice" views. He's a sociopath who, among other things, threatened Kathy Sierra with rape and murder and published her address to his online fans to do the same. He would put her address on Craigslist and claim she was a sex worker. He definitely deserves what he got.
habinero 1y ago
Weev absolutely deserved to be unbanked, and he put himself in that position. He's not some freedom fighter.

bjord 1y ago

all of the above is true, but just to be clear about who we're discussing, weev is a genuine neo-nazi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev#Alt-right_affiliations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev#Alt-right_affiliations

zidad 1y ago
Sure, but clearly that is not a requirement to be sanctioned nowadays, it just shows how f*d you are when you DO get sanctioned, and the bar for that is lowering by the day it seems.
- bjord 1y ago
  not arguing with the primary issue at hand, I just don't think we should be using a neo-nazi as the example
  - mothballed 1y ago
    The defense of the rights of alleged neo-nazis are a big reason why we have free-er speech in America. The ACLU defended them (see skokie nazis) and helped ensure more free speech in public forums. Dismissing the rights of alleged nazis is how rights get destroyed for everyone, although now in USA we use it for say allegedly "illegal" aliens or people that look foreign. I assert, they are a perfect example.
mothballed 1y ago
Weev might be a real neo-nazi, but to be clear, right now an entire country (Ukraine) has also been claimed of being neo-nazis and life-altering state action taken against them without some due process to determine they are. Weev hasn't been convicted of anything serious (nor I think anything at all) that has stuck.
- bjord 1y ago
  I'm not editorializing here. here's one of many examples: "Please, Donald Trump, kill the Jews, down to the last woman and child. Leave nothing left of the Jewish menace..." re: ukraine, I'm not sure how that's remotely relevant here and frankly I think you're doing ukrainians a profound disservice by comparing the two if you look at my background, you'll see I understand this better than most
  - mothballed 1y ago
    Are you unaware that the exact same justification was used to attack the Ukrainian people? Your position here is weev is an actual neo-nazi while the Ukrainian people are not. I concede you are likely correct, and it is frankly obvious I'm not making the case they are compared as both being neo-nazis. It is still relevant because the failure mode is still paralleled, an accusation of neo-nazi and then serious state action taken without objective due process to ensure it is true. By dismissing and frankly belittling my statement, you are falling for the same trap that justified so many dead Ukrainians.
    - mrguyorama 1y ago
      The difference is, when Russia and dumb US citizens say "Ukraine is a Nazis state" 1) they are outright lying and 2) Russians do not think of "Nazis" as meaning the same as what the rest of the world understands. Russians do not hate the Nazis for being genociding freaks, they hate them for being backstabbers. Weev meanwhile is just a fucking Nazi. This exact thread is about a person who is not a Nazi facing persecution, and yet you go out of your way to use a literal and explicit Nazi as your example. In fact, nearly every time I see people make this kind of "Oh it could happen to you, it happened to <X>" they seem to pick people who are damn Nazis. Gee, I wonder why those are the cases they know about?
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graemep 1y ago
He is nasty, but the problem is that the US can do it to anyone they please - as this case shows. They have previously sanctioned other people within the ICC - the prosecutor and deputy prosecutor.
qingcharles 1y ago
"It is a fair summary of history to say that the safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not-very nice people."
- habinero 1y ago
  weev is not some dude with "not-nice" views. He's a sociopath who, among other things, threatened Kathy Sierra with rape and murder and published her address to his online fans to do the same. He would put her address on Craigslist and claim she was a sex worker. He definitely deserves what he got.

habinero 1y ago

Weev absolutely deserved to be unbanked, and he put himself in that position. He's not some freedom fighter.