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A referendum about whether the EU should "put boots on the ground" seems like a good idea to me as long as only those who vote yes get deployed.

by jdibs 1y ago

eru 1y ago
> A referendum about whether the EU should "put boots on the ground" seems like a good idea to me as long as only those who vote yes get deployed. Politics (almost) never works like this. In a secret vote, you don't even know who voted yes or no or at all.
- jdibs 1y ago
  Given the demographics of Europe, what this means is that old people will vote for young people to be fed into a meat mincer just so they can keep collecting their pensions for a couple decades more. Let's call a spade a spade then. This guy is doing just that: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/11/20/outcry-after-french-army-chief-s-prepared-to-lose-children-warning_6747661_7.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/11/20/outcry-a...
  - ArnoVW 1y ago
    I think you are misreading the article. The general is warning that if we do not show preparedness and willingness now, in the long run it will cost more. Si vis pacem para bellum
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Forgeties79 1y ago
That sounds to me like a bunch of individual countries deciding to independently put boots on the ground. At that point what are they voting on as a group? (Though maybe that’s just what you’re suggesting should be done and I’m missing it) I also wonder what good any sort of military/defensive pact is if any country can unilaterally decide when or when not to participate. It means you can’t depend on it and you may as well not have it then right? To be clear I am not saying military pacts are a good thing, but they do currently exist and participating counties can’t (at least shouldn’t) just pretend they aren’t part of one when it’s inconvenient.
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mothballed 1y ago
And the people who vote yes should have to actually go themselves and lead from the front, not pull a Putin and simply declare war (er, special operation) while hiding under a bunker.
weregiraffe 1y ago
And all those who vote no get sold into slavery to Russia.

A referendum about whether the EU should "put boots on the ground" seems like a good idea to me as long as only those who vote yes get deployed.

by jdibs 1y ago

A referendum about whether the EU should "put boots on the ground" seems like a good idea to me as long as only those who vote yes get deployed.

eru 1y ago

> A referendum about whether the EU should "put boots on the ground" seems like a good idea to me as long as only those who vote yes get deployed. Politics (almost) never works like this. In a secret vote, you don't even know who voted yes or no or at all.

jdibs 1y ago
Given the demographics of Europe, what this means is that old people will vote for young people to be fed into a meat mincer just so they can keep collecting their pensions for a couple decades more. Let's call a spade a spade then. This guy is doing just that: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/11/20/outcry-after-french-army-chief-s-prepared-to-lose-children-warning_6747661_7.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/11/20/outcry-a...
- ArnoVW 1y ago
  I think you are misreading the article. The general is warning that if we do not show preparedness and willingness now, in the long run it will cost more. Si vis pacem para bellum
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Forgeties79 1y ago

That sounds to me like a bunch of individual countries deciding to independently put boots on the ground. At that point what are they voting on as a group? (Though maybe that’s just what you’re suggesting should be done and I’m missing it) I also wonder what good any sort of military/defensive pact is if any country can unilaterally decide when or when not to participate. It means you can’t depend on it and you may as well not have it then right? To be clear I am not saying military pacts are a good thing, but they do currently exist and participating counties can’t (at least shouldn’t) just pretend they aren’t part of one when it’s inconvenient.

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mothballed 1y ago

And the people who vote yes should have to actually go themselves and lead from the front, not pull a Putin and simply declare war (er, special operation) while hiding under a bunker.

weregiraffe 1y ago

And all those who vote no get sold into slavery to Russia.