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do you define the dresden firebombings or the hiroshima nuclear attack as genocide?

by breppp 11mo ago

forgetfulness 11mo ago
Israel hasn’t gotten fire bombed or nuked. What’s the parallel with the WW2 Axis Powers here?
- breppp 11mo ago
  Israel's bombing campaign in Gaza is thought by some to be "genocide", though it was far less destructive, more precise and not aimed at a civilian population as compared to the above
netsharc 11mo ago
Is this how you win the arguments in your head? Your opponent uses the word "genocide", you concluded turning Gaza into rubble with kids and many more innocents underneath them doesn't fit the term "genocide", and you further conclude whatever claim your opponent is trying to make is wrong, and therefore there aren't a few hundred thousand dead civilians, ah the whole accusation is just fictional, they all actually lived happily ever after in peace and harmony (in your head). Yeah yeah, people are still dying, and we're arguing about the definitions of words. How convenient. Whatever distraction helps you sleep at night, I suppose.
- breppp 11mo ago
  no, I am saying war is not genocide. And protecting your own civilians from very real death squads going on executing rampage is not "genocide" it's called war, which might be terrible but sometimes you can't evade
  - immibis 11mo ago
    You're talking about Hamas, right? hamas are the ones who tried to fight back against death squads and are now suffering the consequences of that?
    - breppp 11mo ago
      The death squads are Hamas, that went on mass executions around Israeli towns, including rapes, looting, baby kidnappings, etc
      - immibis 11mo ago
        what do we say of the israeli squads that did the same thing? do we say they don't count because only brown people can do bad things?
        breppp 11mo ago
        There were no such death squads. Hamas killed a thousand Israeli civilians in 12 hours, if Israel used the same tactics (mass civilian executions by gun fire, einsatzgruppen style), most of the Gaza population would be killed by now (millions)
        immibis 11mo ago
        Okay? Most of the Gaza population has been killed by now.
watwut 11mo ago
Neither was genocide, neither in outcome nor in intention. You could argue about "mass killing" or some such. Dresden firebombings did not attempted to eliminate German nation as such. It does not matter how actual nazi try to frame it as similar to holocaust, it was not nearly close. And same goes for Hiroshima. It was not an attempt to eliminate Japanese people out of existence.
- breppp 11mo ago
  yes, that is my point. Israeli bombings of Gaza were far more precise and less directed at a civilian population also the population was warned to evacuate in advance, nothing that the germans or japanese had the benefit of
  - watwut 11mo ago
    > Israeli bombings of Gaza were far more precise and less directed at a civilian population They were literally intentionally directed at civilian population. With special focus on healthcare workers. The attempt to starve them was intentional too. There was even open rhetoric about that.
    - breppp 11mo ago
      > They were literally intentionally directed at civilian population. With special focus on healthcare workers no, they were directed at the militant organizations in Gaza while the civilian population was warned to evacuate in advance. the only thing you can base this on is the fact hamas intentionally does not publish its dead, all of the casualties are "civilians", and Hamas was caught either converting dead militants to "journalists" and such or completely inflating its statistics such as the 500 false dead in the hospital "attack". if you compare this to a similar contemporary war with reliable statistics like the war against hezbollah, you can see Israel was clearly able and successful in targeting militants. regarding "starvation" even according to unreliable Hamas statistics these are minuscule, while if you will look at instagram there was actually a restaurant and food blogging scene in gaza throughout the war which is very inconsistent with mass famine

do you define the dresden firebombings or the hiroshima nuclear attack as genocide?

by breppp 11mo ago

do you define the dresden firebombings or the hiroshima nuclear attack as genocide?

forgetfulness 11mo ago

Israel hasn’t gotten fire bombed or nuked. What’s the parallel with the WW2 Axis Powers here?

breppp 11mo ago
Israel's bombing campaign in Gaza is thought by some to be "genocide", though it was far less destructive, more precise and not aimed at a civilian population as compared to the above

netsharc 11mo ago

Is this how you win the arguments in your head? Your opponent uses the word "genocide", you concluded turning Gaza into rubble with kids and many more innocents underneath them doesn't fit the term "genocide", and you further conclude whatever claim your opponent is trying to make is wrong, and therefore there aren't a few hundred thousand dead civilians, ah the whole accusation is just fictional, they all actually lived happily ever after in peace and harmony (in your head). Yeah yeah, people are still dying, and we're arguing about the definitions of words. How convenient. Whatever distraction helps you sleep at night, I suppose.

breppp 11mo ago
no, I am saying war is not genocide. And protecting your own civilians from very real death squads going on executing rampage is not "genocide" it's called war, which might be terrible but sometimes you can't evade
- immibis 11mo ago
  You're talking about Hamas, right? hamas are the ones who tried to fight back against death squads and are now suffering the consequences of that?
  - breppp 11mo ago
    The death squads are Hamas, that went on mass executions around Israeli towns, including rapes, looting, baby kidnappings, etc
    - immibis 11mo ago
      what do we say of the israeli squads that did the same thing? do we say they don't count because only brown people can do bad things?
      - breppp 11mo ago
        There were no such death squads. Hamas killed a thousand Israeli civilians in 12 hours, if Israel used the same tactics (mass civilian executions by gun fire, einsatzgruppen style), most of the Gaza population would be killed by now (millions)
        immibis 11mo ago
        Okay? Most of the Gaza population has been killed by now.

watwut 11mo ago

Neither was genocide, neither in outcome nor in intention. You could argue about "mass killing" or some such. Dresden firebombings did not attempted to eliminate German nation as such. It does not matter how actual nazi try to frame it as similar to holocaust, it was not nearly close. And same goes for Hiroshima. It was not an attempt to eliminate Japanese people out of existence.

breppp 11mo ago
yes, that is my point. Israeli bombings of Gaza were far more precise and less directed at a civilian population also the population was warned to evacuate in advance, nothing that the germans or japanese had the benefit of
- watwut 11mo ago
  > Israeli bombings of Gaza were far more precise and less directed at a civilian population They were literally intentionally directed at civilian population. With special focus on healthcare workers. The attempt to starve them was intentional too. There was even open rhetoric about that.
  - breppp 11mo ago
    > They were literally intentionally directed at civilian population. With special focus on healthcare workers no, they were directed at the militant organizations in Gaza while the civilian population was warned to evacuate in advance. the only thing you can base this on is the fact hamas intentionally does not publish its dead, all of the casualties are "civilians", and Hamas was caught either converting dead militants to "journalists" and such or completely inflating its statistics such as the 500 false dead in the hospital "attack". if you compare this to a similar contemporary war with reliable statistics like the war against hezbollah, you can see Israel was clearly able and successful in targeting militants. regarding "starvation" even according to unreliable Hamas statistics these are minuscule, while if you will look at instagram there was actually a restaurant and food blogging scene in gaza throughout the war which is very inconsistent with mass famine