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Porn is damaging at multiple levels, specially for young adults to say nothing of "children". +Should be clear is that exposing children to porn or normalizing

Porn is damaging at multiple levels, specially for young adults to say nothing of "children". +Should be clear is that exposing children to porn or normalizing porn in no way promotes "healthy economies" either.

trumpeta 11mo ago
sure but so is social media and ultra processed food. Both with much greater impact, why not start there?
- slightwinder 11mo ago
  Imagine society is able to tackle multiple problems all at once.. Seems like fiction for some..
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 11mo ago
    But they don't fix multiple problems all at once. Most of the time they don't even fix one at a time. And often, as I think is the case here, they pretend they are fixing a problem when really they are doing something else. In this case its the usual 'save the children' wrapping on more rigid control and surveillance of peoples use of computers and the internet.
    - slightwinder 11mo ago
      > But they don't fix multiple problems all at once. No, they do, they do it the whole time. Those might not the problems you care about, and not all attempts might be successful, but each new or changed law/regulation is fixing something. And there are many new of them over the year.
      - Eddy_Viscosity2 11mo ago
        Each new law/regulation is indeed intended to fix something, the problem is what? I'd love to have the optimism that its the problems that population are experiencing, but in most cases its the problems that the rich and powerful are experiencing. Like 'the internet is allowing people too much power to communicate with each other without state intervention', so they fix it with laws to remove that power. Or 'I am very extremely wealthy, but I want to be in more wealthy, and other people to be poorer so my great wealth has more relative power', so they pass laws to cut social programs to fund high income tax cuts. And so on,..
        slightwinder 11mo ago
        You seem to have a concerningly narrow view on society and it's processes, to the point where it might be harmful. Maybe start fixing this first, before you complain about something you might not understand well enough?
        Eddy_Viscosity2 11mo ago
        I could say this exact comment back to you with implication that your view is naively optimistic, whereas at me its implication is I'm defeatistly pessimistic. Maybe the answer is that society needs both of us playing these parts.
  - bdangubic 11mo ago
    society does not want to tackle any problems - especially when it comes to kids. you need continued social discourse to win elections so no one is actually interested in solving anything
- thomasuebel 11mo ago
  Because no porn lobby?
- em-bee 11mo ago
  because porn is primarily a moral problem, the others are only mental and health problems. surely moral problems are way more serious, right?
Asooka 11mo ago
Mass surveillance is far more damaging. Also there are several porn block solutions on offer for parents to install on their children's devices. There is absolutely zero need for the government to be regulating mass surveillance on everyone to block porn for children. We are replacing the damage caused by porn on a small handful of people who are predisposed to get addicted and got exposed to it at a young age due to bad parenting, with damaging all of society with mass surveillance, which is not even guaranteed to stop kids from seeing porn.
danaris 11mo ago
[Citation needed] Multiple studies have shown that porn, in and of itself, is not damaging. The phenomenon of "porn addiction" appears to come entirely from people who think they shouldn't be looking at porn for various (mostly religious) reasons still looking at it, and feeling shame.
- sixtyj 11mo ago
  Probably not dangerous for adults. But if you combine high-speed internet, unlimited mobile data - it's basically a debilitating affair for kids aged 8-18. The BBC did a documentary about the knowledge of porn among kids, and how 16-year-olds go to the doctor's office saying they don't have erections...
- poly2it 11mo ago
  Can you also provide a citation?
  - danaris 11mo ago
    Sure, here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/202207/the-trouble-with-porn-addiction https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/202207/... > People who believe they have a porn addiction typically think their sexual behaviors are abnormal. > In reality, however, their sexual behaviors tend to be similar to others'. > Porn addiction typically involves a moral incongruence between sexual attitudes and sexual behaviors. > By medicalizing problematic porn use, people can avoid taking personal responsibility for sexual behaviors.
    - poly2it 11mo ago
      Thank you, it's refreshing to see a medical take on an unquestioned thesis I see oft repeated even by intellectuals.
sixtyj 11mo ago
BBC Channel 4 did some documentary about porn and damage it does to young ones.

trumpeta 11mo ago

sure but so is social media and ultra processed food. Both with much greater impact, why not start there?

slightwinder 11mo ago
Imagine society is able to tackle multiple problems all at once.. Seems like fiction for some..
- Eddy_Viscosity2 11mo ago
  But they don't fix multiple problems all at once. Most of the time they don't even fix one at a time. And often, as I think is the case here, they pretend they are fixing a problem when really they are doing something else. In this case its the usual 'save the children' wrapping on more rigid control and surveillance of peoples use of computers and the internet.
  - slightwinder 11mo ago
    > But they don't fix multiple problems all at once. No, they do, they do it the whole time. Those might not the problems you care about, and not all attempts might be successful, but each new or changed law/regulation is fixing something. And there are many new of them over the year.
    - Eddy_Viscosity2 11mo ago
      Each new law/regulation is indeed intended to fix something, the problem is what? I'd love to have the optimism that its the problems that population are experiencing, but in most cases its the problems that the rich and powerful are experiencing. Like 'the internet is allowing people too much power to communicate with each other without state intervention', so they fix it with laws to remove that power. Or 'I am very extremely wealthy, but I want to be in more wealthy, and other people to be poorer so my great wealth has more relative power', so they pass laws to cut social programs to fund high income tax cuts. And so on,..
      - slightwinder 11mo ago
        You seem to have a concerningly narrow view on society and it's processes, to the point where it might be harmful. Maybe start fixing this first, before you complain about something you might not understand well enough?
        Eddy_Viscosity2 11mo ago
        I could say this exact comment back to you with implication that your view is naively optimistic, whereas at me its implication is I'm defeatistly pessimistic. Maybe the answer is that society needs both of us playing these parts.
- bdangubic 11mo ago
  society does not want to tackle any problems - especially when it comes to kids. you need continued social discourse to win elections so no one is actually interested in solving anything
thomasuebel 11mo ago
Because no porn lobby?
em-bee 11mo ago
because porn is primarily a moral problem, the others are only mental and health problems. surely moral problems are way more serious, right?

Asooka 11mo ago

Mass surveillance is far more damaging. Also there are several porn block solutions on offer for parents to install on their children's devices. There is absolutely zero need for the government to be regulating mass surveillance on everyone to block porn for children. We are replacing the damage caused by porn on a small handful of people who are predisposed to get addicted and got exposed to it at a young age due to bad parenting, with damaging all of society with mass surveillance, which is not even guaranteed to stop kids from seeing porn.

danaris 11mo ago

[Citation needed] Multiple studies have shown that porn, in and of itself, is not damaging. The phenomenon of "porn addiction" appears to come entirely from people who think they shouldn't be looking at porn for various (mostly religious) reasons still looking at it, and feeling shame.

sixtyj 11mo ago
Probably not dangerous for adults. But if you combine high-speed internet, unlimited mobile data - it's basically a debilitating affair for kids aged 8-18. The BBC did a documentary about the knowledge of porn among kids, and how 16-year-olds go to the doctor's office saying they don't have erections...
poly2it 11mo ago
Can you also provide a citation?
- danaris 11mo ago
  Sure, here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/202207/the-trouble-with-porn-addiction https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/202207/... > People who believe they have a porn addiction typically think their sexual behaviors are abnormal. > In reality, however, their sexual behaviors tend to be similar to others'. > Porn addiction typically involves a moral incongruence between sexual attitudes and sexual behaviors. > By medicalizing problematic porn use, people can avoid taking personal responsibility for sexual behaviors.
  - poly2it 11mo ago
    Thank you, it's refreshing to see a medical take on an unquestioned thesis I see oft repeated even by intellectuals.

sixtyj 11mo ago

BBC Channel 4 did some documentary about porn and damage it does to young ones.