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Might be somehow related-ish; in Poland by rmf24.pl outlet: > On Friday, the Sejm (lower house) passed an amendment to the bill on the provision of electronic

by pndy 11mo ago

Might be somehow related-ish; in Poland by rmf24.pl outlet: > On Friday, the Sejm (lower house) passed an amendment to the bill on the provision of electronic services, which allows for the blocking of illegal content on the internet. The new regulations anticipate that the president of UKE (Office of Electronic Communications) and KRRiT (National Broadcasting Council ) will be able to decide on the removal of content concerning 27 prohibited acts, mainly specified in the Penal Code. Prohibited acts include criminal threats, incitement to suicide, glorification of paedophilia, promotion of totalitarianism, incitement to hatred and content that infringes copyright. > Under the bill, the author of the disputed content will receive a notification from the internet service provider about the initiation of the procedure and will have two days to present their position. The decision of the UKE and KRRiT to remove the content will not be subject to appeal, but the author will be able to lodge an objection with a common court. > 237 MPs voted in favour of the bill, 200 were against, and five abstained. The bill will now be debated in the Senate. This happens four days after Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Digital Affairs Krzysztof Gawkowski said that "Poland strongly opposes the introduction of mandatory scanning of private messages in instant messaging services.". --- I don't want to wear a tinfoil hat but considering that chat control is unlikely to work at EU level, local "solutions" like above in Germany and Poland may give legal way to include scanning instant messengers in the future.

Lapsa 11mo ago
tinfoil hat doesn't help against hearing microwave transmitted voices
IsTom 11mo ago
Isn't this about web hosting? That ship sailed long ago.
bko 11mo ago
They already do this with social media regulations. This is the venue, not these adult content filters. The UK already arrests 33 people PER DAY for social media posts and that was in 2023. If we're going to throw people in jail for posting political memes anyway, at least parents will have some control over what their children consume. https://www.reddit.com/r/charts/comments/1mut3gv/12k_arrests_last_year_in_the_uk_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/charts/comments/1mut3gv/12k_arrests...
adrian_b 11mo ago
Every time when I see how these censorship laws are pushed, I cannot understand how it is possible that anyone of those who vote for them can believe that such laws can achieve their stated goal of "protecting the innocent children". Actually I cannot believe that the voters, or at least most of them, are so stupid that they no longer remember what they were doing as children, so I can only assume that the real purpose of the laws is not the claimed purpose, but something much more sinister. I am male, so I do not know about what young girls think, so perhaps they are innocent and they might be protected by censorship, but I am certain that the "innocence" of young boys cannot be protected by such laws, even if they were technically successful. I have grown in a country occupied by communists, like Poland. There existed absolutely no pornography whatsoever. There were no erotic movies, no erotic books, no erotic magazines. So one might have believed that the "innocence" of young children was "protected", but such a belief was terribly wrong. Due to the lack of any other kind of entertainment, a favorite pass-time was telling jokes, many of which had a strong pornographic content. I have no idea which were the sources of the jokes, but there existed a huge number of them. Starting from the age of 10 years, it was very frequent among boys to tell such jokes or listen to them. The content of the jokes included pretty much everything that can be seen in a pornographic movie today and any young "innocent" boy was very familiar with such content, even if most did not understand the meaning of many parts of the content, for lack of explanatory images. Of course, no boy would admit in the presence of adults of being aware of such things, but I would have expected that someone being now adult would remember his lack of "innocence" when young and would understand how futile is to expect that "innocence" can be "protected" by technical censorship, when the only means that could ensure "innocence" would be to be locked permanently in a prison cell, to avoid contact with any other humans.
- Asooka 11mo ago
  > Actually I cannot believe that the voters, or at least most of them, are so stupid The majority of USAians voted for Trump. It would be the height of hubris to think of our average voter as noticeably smarter than one from the USA.
  - pixxel 11mo ago
general1465 11mo ago
> I don't want to wear a tinfoil hat but considering that chat control is unlikely to work at EU level, local "solutions" like above in Germany and Poland may give legal way to include scanning instant messengers in the future. That's because lawmakers think it has no impact on them. In Czech Republic a transparency law has been passed many years ago. This law effectively said that cities needs to disclose suppliers and agreements for services they are purchasing, like trash collection. Sounds pretty innocent. It has turned out that politicians did not think that through because people found a lot of cities are buying services from companies which are owned by politicians who are also part of city council. Whoops, massive conflict of interests. So then politicians were clamping the law down until this got hidden under wraps again. All these Chat Controls, porn filters are going to have exactly same effect.
- HeavyStorm 11mo ago
  Do they? You mention something that affects politicians negatively much more than affect civilians. Chat control will be negative for _all_ of us, mainly of innocents, while bad actors will switch to other means of communication that evades the law.
  - general1465 11mo ago
    Technically you can just setup a political party and then offer membership in the party for a yearly fee like 100EUR - every member will automatically become a politician and thus won't be allowed to be tracked because that's literal exception in the Chat Control. If government will want to track them, it will need to expand tracking to themselves too, which they definitely don't want to do. So now government is not allowed to track you and you can also make quite a lot of money out of this stupid law.
    - port11 11mo ago
      If this is true, I'll owe you a beer. Or 50. But honestly, if it were that simple wouldn't they think of it? Say, "only applies to politicians with a seat in parliament"?

by pndy 11mo ago

Lapsa 11mo ago

tinfoil hat doesn't help against hearing microwave transmitted voices

IsTom 11mo ago

Isn't this about web hosting? That ship sailed long ago.

bko 11mo ago

They already do this with social media regulations. This is the venue, not these adult content filters. The UK already arrests 33 people PER DAY for social media posts and that was in 2023. If we're going to throw people in jail for posting political memes anyway, at least parents will have some control over what their children consume. https://www.reddit.com/r/charts/comments/1mut3gv/12k_arrests_last_year_in_the_uk_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/charts/comments/1mut3gv/12k_arrests...

adrian_b 11mo ago

Every time when I see how these censorship laws are pushed, I cannot understand how it is possible that anyone of those who vote for them can believe that such laws can achieve their stated goal of "protecting the innocent children". Actually I cannot believe that the voters, or at least most of them, are so stupid that they no longer remember what they were doing as children, so I can only assume that the real purpose of the laws is not the claimed purpose, but something much more sinister. I am male, so I do not know about what young girls think, so perhaps they are innocent and they might be protected by censorship, but I am certain that the "innocence" of young boys cannot be protected by such laws, even if they were technically successful. I have grown in a country occupied by communists, like Poland. There existed absolutely no pornography whatsoever. There were no erotic movies, no erotic books, no erotic magazines. So one might have believed that the "innocence" of young children was "protected", but such a belief was terribly wrong. Due to the lack of any other kind of entertainment, a favorite pass-time was telling jokes, many of which had a strong pornographic content. I have no idea which were the sources of the jokes, but there existed a huge number of them. Starting from the age of 10 years, it was very frequent among boys to tell such jokes or listen to them. The content of the jokes included pretty much everything that can be seen in a pornographic movie today and any young "innocent" boy was very familiar with such content, even if most did not understand the meaning of many parts of the content, for lack of explanatory images. Of course, no boy would admit in the presence of adults of being aware of such things, but I would have expected that someone being now adult would remember his lack of "innocence" when young and would understand how futile is to expect that "innocence" can be "protected" by technical censorship, when the only means that could ensure "innocence" would be to be locked permanently in a prison cell, to avoid contact with any other humans.

Asooka 11mo ago
> Actually I cannot believe that the voters, or at least most of them, are so stupid The majority of USAians voted for Trump. It would be the height of hubris to think of our average voter as noticeably smarter than one from the USA.
- pixxel 11mo ago

general1465 11mo ago

> I don't want to wear a tinfoil hat but considering that chat control is unlikely to work at EU level, local "solutions" like above in Germany and Poland may give legal way to include scanning instant messengers in the future. That's because lawmakers think it has no impact on them. In Czech Republic a transparency law has been passed many years ago. This law effectively said that cities needs to disclose suppliers and agreements for services they are purchasing, like trash collection. Sounds pretty innocent. It has turned out that politicians did not think that through because people found a lot of cities are buying services from companies which are owned by politicians who are also part of city council. Whoops, massive conflict of interests. So then politicians were clamping the law down until this got hidden under wraps again. All these Chat Controls, porn filters are going to have exactly same effect.

HeavyStorm 11mo ago
Do they? You mention something that affects politicians negatively much more than affect civilians. Chat control will be negative for _all_ of us, mainly of innocents, while bad actors will switch to other means of communication that evades the law.
- general1465 11mo ago
  Technically you can just setup a political party and then offer membership in the party for a yearly fee like 100EUR - every member will automatically become a politician and thus won't be allowed to be tracked because that's literal exception in the Chat Control. If government will want to track them, it will need to expand tracking to themselves too, which they definitely don't want to do. So now government is not allowed to track you and you can also make quite a lot of money out of this stupid law.
  - port11 11mo ago
    If this is true, I'll owe you a beer. Or 50. But honestly, if it were that simple wouldn't they think of it? Say, "only applies to politicians with a seat in parliament"?