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How fun. They are essentially repeating the playbook of the 2000/2010s automotive industry: minimal true innovation, instead focusing on establishing a core fou

How fun. They are essentially repeating the playbook of the 2000/2010s automotive industry: minimal true innovation, instead focusing on establishing a core foundation and subsequently differentiating their model lines solely through arbitrary feature variations. Wonder how that turned out.

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jack_tripper 11mo ago
Cars didn't have a vendor lock-in ecosystem for your purchases, personal data and prized memories, to make switching brands a pain for the user.
- throwaway48476 11mo ago
  I'm sure they're trying to change that. OEMs are now using the infotainment screen to advertise their new models.
- fragmede 11mo ago
  Ford and the other carmakers at the time absolutely tried to build that kind of lock in. The only reason it didn’t stick is because Congress stepped in with the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Automakers wanted to force you to buy OEM parts and pay for OEM service, and the anti tying rules killed that. It wasn’t some natural property of the market. It was government regulation that kept the ecosystem open. If phones had gotten a Magnuson Moss style intervention 10 years ago, the platform dynamics would be totally different today.
StopDisinfo910 11mo ago
They plainly can't compete on innovation. They are lagging behind the Asian companies on the actual equipment: Chinese phones have far better battery capacity, camera sensors and screens are both sourced from competitors, Mediatek has caught up to them on the SoC side of thing. People here are musing the Air might be a foldable prototype, something Asian brands have been releasing and improving for, what, five years now. On top of that, they have been struggling on the software side of things for quite some time. Stability is so-so. AI features don't really work. Plus, they pretty much stopped delivering new features in the EU. To me it looks like the only thing Apple has going for it is their brand image in the USA and their locked down ecosystem. Might be fine to keep revenue steady but doesn't bod well for growth. I personally went back to Android this generation when my iPhone 13 became unusable. I doubt I will be the only one making the switch.
- jdibs 11mo ago
  Saying that Mediatek has caught up to anything is, well, simply false.
  - StopDisinfo910 11mo ago
    That's not what the Dimensity 9500 benchmarks are saying. This SoC is in every way comparable to the A19 Pro. Apple used to have chips twice as effective as the competition. That's simply not the case anymore. I think Apple users are in denial regarding the current state of the market. Your comment is the second one apparently unaware of where Mediatek and Qualcomm currently stand compared to Apple.
- spacedcowboy 11mo ago
  I don't know enough about supply chains to recognise whether what most of what you're saying is true or not, but "Mediatek has caught up to them on the SoC side of thing" is so laughably false that I seriously doubt the rest of what you say. The best MediaTek CPU is about 3/4 the speed of the best Apple one. "I personally went back to Android this generation when my iPhone 13 became unusable." - perhaps you're letting your situation affect your bias...
  - auggierose 11mo ago
    3/4 the speed is actually very very good, given how fast iPhones are! 3/4 the speed together with much better battery and cameras is clearly better, especially since you cannot run iPhones in Desktop Mode. 3/4 the speed of the best iPhone is way more speed than 99.9% of users need.
  - StopDisinfo910 11mo ago
    No offense but you could have checked before accusing me of bias. Here is a summary of the benchmarks. [1] The Dimensity 9500 scores above the A19 Pro in AnTuTu 10 and Multicore GeekBench 6. A19 Pro has better Single Core Geekbench 6 results but that only around 10%. The Dimensity 9500 GPU scores are also better but that was already the case for the previous generation. Apple used to have a significant lead on the SoC side of things. That's over. Both Mediatek and Qualcomm are competitive nowadays. And before people come back explaining to me that it hardly matters because the A19 Pro is more power efficient, my current Chinese phone battery is 1.5 times larger than the one in the Iphone 19 Pro Max and I have more than two full days of use between charges, which are obviously significantly faster than on the iPhone. [1] https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/mediatek-dimensity-9500-vs-apple-a19-pro https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/mediatek-dimensity-950...
wslh 11mo ago
Great Chinese cars.

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jack_tripper 11mo ago

Cars didn't have a vendor lock-in ecosystem for your purchases, personal data and prized memories, to make switching brands a pain for the user.

throwaway48476 11mo ago
I'm sure they're trying to change that. OEMs are now using the infotainment screen to advertise their new models.
fragmede 11mo ago
Ford and the other carmakers at the time absolutely tried to build that kind of lock in. The only reason it didn’t stick is because Congress stepped in with the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Automakers wanted to force you to buy OEM parts and pay for OEM service, and the anti tying rules killed that. It wasn’t some natural property of the market. It was government regulation that kept the ecosystem open. If phones had gotten a Magnuson Moss style intervention 10 years ago, the platform dynamics would be totally different today.

StopDisinfo910 11mo ago

They plainly can't compete on innovation. They are lagging behind the Asian companies on the actual equipment: Chinese phones have far better battery capacity, camera sensors and screens are both sourced from competitors, Mediatek has caught up to them on the SoC side of thing. People here are musing the Air might be a foldable prototype, something Asian brands have been releasing and improving for, what, five years now. On top of that, they have been struggling on the software side of things for quite some time. Stability is so-so. AI features don't really work. Plus, they pretty much stopped delivering new features in the EU. To me it looks like the only thing Apple has going for it is their brand image in the USA and their locked down ecosystem. Might be fine to keep revenue steady but doesn't bod well for growth. I personally went back to Android this generation when my iPhone 13 became unusable. I doubt I will be the only one making the switch.

jdibs 11mo ago
Saying that Mediatek has caught up to anything is, well, simply false.
- StopDisinfo910 11mo ago
  That's not what the Dimensity 9500 benchmarks are saying. This SoC is in every way comparable to the A19 Pro. Apple used to have chips twice as effective as the competition. That's simply not the case anymore. I think Apple users are in denial regarding the current state of the market. Your comment is the second one apparently unaware of where Mediatek and Qualcomm currently stand compared to Apple.
spacedcowboy 11mo ago
I don't know enough about supply chains to recognise whether what most of what you're saying is true or not, but "Mediatek has caught up to them on the SoC side of thing" is so laughably false that I seriously doubt the rest of what you say. The best MediaTek CPU is about 3/4 the speed of the best Apple one. "I personally went back to Android this generation when my iPhone 13 became unusable." - perhaps you're letting your situation affect your bias...
- auggierose 11mo ago
  3/4 the speed is actually very very good, given how fast iPhones are! 3/4 the speed together with much better battery and cameras is clearly better, especially since you cannot run iPhones in Desktop Mode. 3/4 the speed of the best iPhone is way more speed than 99.9% of users need.
- StopDisinfo910 11mo ago
  No offense but you could have checked before accusing me of bias. Here is a summary of the benchmarks. [1] The Dimensity 9500 scores above the A19 Pro in AnTuTu 10 and Multicore GeekBench 6. A19 Pro has better Single Core Geekbench 6 results but that only around 10%. The Dimensity 9500 GPU scores are also better but that was already the case for the previous generation. Apple used to have a significant lead on the SoC side of things. That's over. Both Mediatek and Qualcomm are competitive nowadays. And before people come back explaining to me that it hardly matters because the A19 Pro is more power efficient, my current Chinese phone battery is 1.5 times larger than the one in the Iphone 19 Pro Max and I have more than two full days of use between charges, which are obviously significantly faster than on the iPhone. [1] https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/mediatek-dimensity-9500-vs-apple-a19-pro https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/mediatek-dimensity-950...

wslh 11mo ago

Great Chinese cars.