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This doesn’t strike me as “bad”. Seeing the content on Twitch and how parasocial it is, it doesn’t seem healthy for kids under 18 tbh. Like Facebook was the cra

This doesn’t strike me as “bad”. Seeing the content on Twitch and how parasocial it is, it doesn’t seem healthy for kids under 18 tbh. Like Facebook was the craze when I was exiting highschool, and then it was instagram/snapchat/twitter through college. “Quitting” social media was one of the healthiest adult choices I ever made—comparison is the thief of joy, blah blah blah.

johnisgood 11mo ago
Problem is, that it sets a precedent, and next they will come for other websites whose ban will strike you as "bad". Edit: I can definitely see them banning anything related to Linux and resources related to OSes because of how processes can be handled, e.g. "kill parent", "kill child", and so on. The term "kill" already has to be censored out on many websites. Of course context matters, but people really have difficulties with this these days.
- vkou 11mo ago
  While your slippery slope argument can be applied to literally anything that children are restricted from, it consistently fails to materialize. Perhaps it's predictive power is not as expansive as you think.
  - nottorp 11mo ago
    They won't ban Linux for containing "kill" but because it teaches kids to "hack" :)
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    - throwaway48476 11mo ago
      Talk to your kids about the danger of using 'linux' today! https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-police-distance-themselves-from-poster-warning-parents-to-report-kids-for-using-kali-linux/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-police-distance-themselves-...
  - threatofrain 11mo ago
    I think there is such thing as a moat on legislative and cultural movement, whether that moat is good or not. So rather than "slippery slope" I think of it more like reducing or building moats.
- lm28469 11mo ago
  You can use this train of thought to argue against laws in general, it doesn't sound like a very strong argument
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  - johnisgood 11mo ago
    Within this context, how? I do not think it can be used to argue against laws in general. Plus we have a lot of experiences now about it setting a precedent and them coming for your beloved websites. It is not even debatable today.
    - cassepipe 11mo ago
      Laws tend to set precedents (that may be used to justify other laws)
      - johnisgood 11mo ago
        Yeah, so should we have something like Chat Control and more, similar regulation(s)? It really is not so far off from banning platforms. I remember when people were trash-talking China for doing this, and now "we" are doing the same thing we initially opposed. I suppose people may only start opposing it when it starts to affect them.
        lm28469 11mo ago
        "we" do what china did because they're beating us at our own games. It's "free market" until BYD shows up, it's "no regulations" until tiktok shows up Allowing everything from everyone doesn't automagically make "us" the good guys
        johnisgood 11mo ago
        > Allowing everything from everyone doesn't automagically make "us" the good guys I never implied this, that would be silly on many fronts. Are you in favor of Chat Control or not? Why?
throwaway290 11mo ago
Twitch problem is not just parasocial... possible to get stalked. sometimes full chat of kids is prompted into disclosing their ages/locations and they do it because guard is down
larodi 11mo ago
It’s actually a good example nations should follow. It will still be exploited and sought after which also is a good thing in its own. And that’d be OK. While the general uninformed public, which is oblivious to its dangers, will be spared.
danielbln 11mo ago
I see what you're saying, but it's a little bit ironic that you write this on a social media platform. Granted, a more niche and focused one with not all of the misgivings of the big platforms, but still.
- delis-thumbs-7e 11mo ago
  I don’t think it is ironic. When people quit social media, they usually do not mean quitting to other people via electronic media. Allegorically you could say that same way when people quit drinking, they rarely mean water. What they mean is quit predatory electronic platforms that only exist to make you addicted so they can use your life and data as a money cow. HN is a dinosaur from the age when forums were just bunch of nerds and geeks talking about computers and stuff.
- gnarlouse 11mo ago
  1) Hence why i put “quitting” in quotes, I certainly still use YouTube, 2) but even as such I don’t consider HN to be a social media platform. It’s more of an RSS feed/forum + comments. Sure it’s a social media platform in the clinical definition. But there are no dark patterns AFAICT, no explicit advertisements to support funding, no corporate-powered psy-op campaigns to sway public opinion.
n00bscure 11mo ago
Some 'performers' need comparison to not be whiny little bitches. Some parents make sure their kids get amphetamines before puberty, or testosterone shots. Just so that they come out on top in comparison. If it's not enough, some go as far as to sabotage other families and to poison other kids. This whole social media thing is all that on a global scale. Just a bit more subtle in the early days. But it's still poisoning teens. It's no more than that; sleazy, overwrought, raunchy. It reduced overall competence which means it kept even the top far below potential. But to them it's enough, and the rest only cares for fun, anyway. We will never see what could have been. It's not even future generations' luck that it's so obvious. Nothing can be learned from this that would stop the toxicity. Just fall in line and be boringly, hyper-relatablablaby awesome. It's a showgirl's kind of world. /wu˞…/ (still hitting that depressed tone instead of that cynic, 'noir' kind. Ffs, it's creeping all over me.)
- n00bscure 11mo ago
  so you litte wanker downvote without adding context? we can have a public debate, if you want. I won't prepare. I'm in the bottom 1% of our species, if you need assurance that you are capable of making me smile with respect for who you are ( I've met very very few who are, but ALL of them have more than I do )
kmfrk 11mo ago
Twitch works overtime to drive people to spend as much time on streamers, which isn't good for either side. Caps on donations, especially based on age, would go a a long way.

johnisgood 11mo ago

Problem is, that it sets a precedent, and next they will come for other websites whose ban will strike you as "bad". Edit: I can definitely see them banning anything related to Linux and resources related to OSes because of how processes can be handled, e.g. "kill parent", "kill child", and so on. The term "kill" already has to be censored out on many websites. Of course context matters, but people really have difficulties with this these days.

vkou 11mo ago
While your slippery slope argument can be applied to literally anything that children are restricted from, it consistently fails to materialize. Perhaps it's predictive power is not as expansive as you think.
- nottorp 11mo ago
  They won't ban Linux for containing "kill" but because it teaches kids to "hack" :)
  - deleted 11mo ago
    [deleted]
  - throwaway48476 11mo ago
    Talk to your kids about the danger of using 'linux' today! https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-police-distance-themselves-from-poster-warning-parents-to-report-kids-for-using-kali-linux/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-police-distance-themselves-...
- threatofrain 11mo ago
  I think there is such thing as a moat on legislative and cultural movement, whether that moat is good or not. So rather than "slippery slope" I think of it more like reducing or building moats.
lm28469 11mo ago
You can use this train of thought to argue against laws in general, it doesn't sound like a very strong argument
- deleted 11mo ago
  [deleted]
- johnisgood 11mo ago
  Within this context, how? I do not think it can be used to argue against laws in general. Plus we have a lot of experiences now about it setting a precedent and them coming for your beloved websites. It is not even debatable today.
  - cassepipe 11mo ago
    Laws tend to set precedents (that may be used to justify other laws)
    - johnisgood 11mo ago
      Yeah, so should we have something like Chat Control and more, similar regulation(s)? It really is not so far off from banning platforms. I remember when people were trash-talking China for doing this, and now "we" are doing the same thing we initially opposed. I suppose people may only start opposing it when it starts to affect them.
      - lm28469 11mo ago
        "we" do what china did because they're beating us at our own games. It's "free market" until BYD shows up, it's "no regulations" until tiktok shows up Allowing everything from everyone doesn't automagically make "us" the good guys
        johnisgood 11mo ago
        > Allowing everything from everyone doesn't automagically make "us" the good guys I never implied this, that would be silly on many fronts. Are you in favor of Chat Control or not? Why?

throwaway290 11mo ago

Twitch problem is not just parasocial... possible to get stalked. sometimes full chat of kids is prompted into disclosing their ages/locations and they do it because guard is down

larodi 11mo ago

It’s actually a good example nations should follow. It will still be exploited and sought after which also is a good thing in its own. And that’d be OK. While the general uninformed public, which is oblivious to its dangers, will be spared.

danielbln 11mo ago

I see what you're saying, but it's a little bit ironic that you write this on a social media platform. Granted, a more niche and focused one with not all of the misgivings of the big platforms, but still.

delis-thumbs-7e 11mo ago
I don’t think it is ironic. When people quit social media, they usually do not mean quitting to other people via electronic media. Allegorically you could say that same way when people quit drinking, they rarely mean water. What they mean is quit predatory electronic platforms that only exist to make you addicted so they can use your life and data as a money cow. HN is a dinosaur from the age when forums were just bunch of nerds and geeks talking about computers and stuff.
gnarlouse 11mo ago
1) Hence why i put “quitting” in quotes, I certainly still use YouTube, 2) but even as such I don’t consider HN to be a social media platform. It’s more of an RSS feed/forum + comments. Sure it’s a social media platform in the clinical definition. But there are no dark patterns AFAICT, no explicit advertisements to support funding, no corporate-powered psy-op campaigns to sway public opinion.

n00bscure 11mo ago

Some 'performers' need comparison to not be whiny little bitches. Some parents make sure their kids get amphetamines before puberty, or testosterone shots. Just so that they come out on top in comparison. If it's not enough, some go as far as to sabotage other families and to poison other kids. This whole social media thing is all that on a global scale. Just a bit more subtle in the early days. But it's still poisoning teens. It's no more than that; sleazy, overwrought, raunchy. It reduced overall competence which means it kept even the top far below potential. But to them it's enough, and the rest only cares for fun, anyway. We will never see what could have been. It's not even future generations' luck that it's so obvious. Nothing can be learned from this that would stop the toxicity. Just fall in line and be boringly, hyper-relatablablaby awesome. It's a showgirl's kind of world. /wu˞…/ (still hitting that depressed tone instead of that cynic, 'noir' kind. Ffs, it's creeping all over me.)

n00bscure 11mo ago
so you litte wanker downvote without adding context? we can have a public debate, if you want. I won't prepare. I'm in the bottom 1% of our species, if you need assurance that you are capable of making me smile with respect for who you are ( I've met very very few who are, but ALL of them have more than I do )

kmfrk 11mo ago

Twitch works overtime to drive people to spend as much time on streamers, which isn't good for either side. Caps on donations, especially based on age, would go a a long way.