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This outlines the problem with most regulation: There is no/litte discussion about the trade-offs. You have to see the other side, then weigh all pros and con

by baxtr 11mo ago

This outlines the problem with most regulation: There is no/litte discussion about the trade-offs. You have to see the other side, then weigh all pros and cons and then make a decision. In most cases regulation is sold as something that will improve a field with no downside at all. That’s just a lie and people find out over time.

intended 11mo ago
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- pie_flavor 11mo ago
  You are surely not saying that because HN talks about it, it must be well-known and well-respected. Other political positions related to libertarianism, as you name it, have the exact same fate: some states respect them, others don't, and the parts of the national government lower on the totem pole than the cabinet think it's some sort of skin disease. You've never heard any mainstream pundit like John Oliver or Rachel Maddow ranting about overregulation; you've never heard anyone important in Democratic politics taking it seriously. The word 'abundance' in TFA was selected to deliberately refer to a book arguing for it, which nobody with establishment credentials had done until this year, and which is treated by the party as a brash bold unexpected controversial statement that should be treated with extreme suspicion.
- bnjms 11mo ago
  Anti regulation of a sort is still a popular position. It’s just the libertarian hands of regulation that has fallen out of favor. I don’t think it will return. At first I wasn’t sure it would stick, the name isn’t very catchy, but I’ve heard some politicians mention abundance. There is and will be more calls for corrected regulation to improve building pipelines. From the left it will be for faster procurement of public housing. It’ll look different on the right.
delusional 11mo ago
Sure, western politics doesn't discuss the problem of regulation. Sure, sure, sure. Do you live in an alternate universe? The last 30 years have been dominated by deregulation and privatization.
- energy123 11mo ago
  > deregulation Any word that conflates parking minimums with food safety regulation is counter-productive. These two things are so vastly different that they should never be discussed in the same breath.
- purple_turtle 11mo ago
  > The last 30 years have been dominated by deregulation Maybe in USA, and not everywhere. From what I heard deregulation had not happened in USA healthcare. And describing last 30 years in EU as dominated by deregulation is clearly wrong.
jltsiren 11mo ago
There is no shortage of political debate in most developed countries. I think a bigger reason is that people who go to politics or administration often succumb to a certain kind of (reverse) teleological fallacy. They think that because their goal is to advance X, if they propose regulations for that purpose, their regulations will advance X.

by baxtr 11mo ago

intended 11mo ago

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pie_flavor 11mo ago
You are surely not saying that because HN talks about it, it must be well-known and well-respected. Other political positions related to libertarianism, as you name it, have the exact same fate: some states respect them, others don't, and the parts of the national government lower on the totem pole than the cabinet think it's some sort of skin disease. You've never heard any mainstream pundit like John Oliver or Rachel Maddow ranting about overregulation; you've never heard anyone important in Democratic politics taking it seriously. The word 'abundance' in TFA was selected to deliberately refer to a book arguing for it, which nobody with establishment credentials had done until this year, and which is treated by the party as a brash bold unexpected controversial statement that should be treated with extreme suspicion.
bnjms 11mo ago
Anti regulation of a sort is still a popular position. It’s just the libertarian hands of regulation that has fallen out of favor. I don’t think it will return. At first I wasn’t sure it would stick, the name isn’t very catchy, but I’ve heard some politicians mention abundance. There is and will be more calls for corrected regulation to improve building pipelines. From the left it will be for faster procurement of public housing. It’ll look different on the right.

delusional 11mo ago

Sure, western politics doesn't discuss the problem of regulation. Sure, sure, sure. Do you live in an alternate universe? The last 30 years have been dominated by deregulation and privatization.

energy123 11mo ago
> deregulation Any word that conflates parking minimums with food safety regulation is counter-productive. These two things are so vastly different that they should never be discussed in the same breath.
purple_turtle 11mo ago
> The last 30 years have been dominated by deregulation Maybe in USA, and not everywhere. From what I heard deregulation had not happened in USA healthcare. And describing last 30 years in EU as dominated by deregulation is clearly wrong.

jltsiren 11mo ago

There is no shortage of political debate in most developed countries. I think a bigger reason is that people who go to politics or administration often succumb to a certain kind of (reverse) teleological fallacy. They think that because their goal is to advance X, if they propose regulations for that purpose, their regulations will advance X.