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This is what my psychiatrist more or less warned me about when I went on medication; that a lot of people who are suicidal lack the energy and ability to plan t
by fragrom 11mo ago
This is what my psychiatrist more or less warned me about when I went on medication; that a lot of people who are suicidal lack the energy and ability to plan their suicide, and medications can sometimes undo those particular symptoms and people manage to end themselves.
I'm not sure what kinds of studies have been done about it, but I've had a few therapists same similar ideas. If it's not a studied phenomenon, then it has folks that believe it exists.
- doubled112 11mo agoSometimes willpower improves before mood.
- autumnstwilight 11mo agoI'd like to make the point that even if this does occur, it doesn't mean, "therefore this medication shouldn't be used/is worse than doing nothing," just that awareness and caution is needed. I went through a frankly terrible few months on my current meds because they removed the emotional numbness before removing the bad feelings. However, once that was over they effectively gave me my life back after 10+ years of continual exhaustion and brain fog.
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- DANmode 11mo agoThis gets even more interesting when you realize many SSRIs are antibacterials.
- JumpCrisscross 11mo agoIt gets less interesting when one notices that social animals are much more prone to depression. Inflammation and depression are linked. Infection causes inflammation. It doesn’t follow that depression is caused by infection.
- DANmode 11mo agoCorrect. It’s caused by inflammation, one of the causes being: detox inefficiency.
- JumpCrisscross 11mo ago> It’s caused by inflammation No, it’s not. Depression can be influenced by inflammation. This thread is a good example of the GIGO pitfalls that researching with chatbots entails.
- DANmode 11mo agoYeah, “linked to” is better than “caused by” here, for sure. Not often this kind of thing comes up on HN, so I was replying in haste at a stoplight! I’ll ignore the slight, which you should know better than.
- amanaplanacanal 11mo agoIt seems pretty common for people to read "linked to" and interpret that as "caused by". It feels like media had kind of pushed that for a long time.
- DANmode 11mo agoStopping back in, because I unironically came across someone's almost-surely AI assisted summary that does a better job than I have summarizing the processes being discussed: == === Why the Sick Get Sicker Most people think illness progresses because of pathogens, toxins, or genetics — but the deeper truth is that tension, stress, and breathing patterns control the trajectory of health more than anything else. When the body is stressed, the breath changes. When the breath changes, the lymph stagnates. When the lymph stagnates, toxins accumulate. When toxins accumulate, inflammation accelerates. And that is how sick becomes sicker. Here’s the breakdown: 1. Stress Immediately Changes Your Breathing Pattern When the nervous system senses stress — emotional, physical, mental, or energetic — breathing becomes: • shallow • rapid • high in the chest • tight in the ribs • limited in diaphragm expansion This cuts oxygen supply, raises cortisol, and signals the body to brace. Bracing = stagnation. 2. Your Breath Controls Your Lymphatic System The lymphatic system is the body’s drainage system, and it has no pump of its own. It relies entirely on: • diaphragmatic breathing • muscle movement • fascia softness • a calm nervous system Shallow breathing = no diaphragm movement. No diaphragm movement = lymph stagnation. When lymph stagnates: • waste can’t drain • toxins recirculate • inflammation builds • swelling increases • the immune system gets overwhelmed This is why people in long-term stress decline rapidly. 3. Chronic Tension Physically Constricts Detox Pathways Tension in the shoulders, neck, jaw, abdomen, and ribs acts like a clamp on the lymphatic system. Chronic tightness: • blocks lymph nodes • stiffens fascia • shuts down circulation • compresses nerves • restricts oxygen • slows detox The body becomes a closed loop where waste can’t leave — so it begins leaking into tissues, joints, and organs. This accelerates aging, pain, brain fog, and inflammation. 4. This Is the Progression From Sick → Sicker When breath + lymph + fascia are blocked: Phase 1 — Shallow breathing Fatigue, anxiety, tight chest, poor digestion. Phase 2 — Lymph stagnation Swelling, puffiness, inflammatory symptoms, chronic infections. Phase 3 — Detox recirculation Migrating symptoms, rashes, headaches, histamine issues, chemical sensitivity. Phase 4 — Systemic overload Autoimmune symptoms, mold sensitivity, debilitating fatigue, hormone disruption. It appears “mysterious,” but physiologically it is predictable.
- Retric 11mo agoDepression is likely to have many possible underlying causes. It’s a description of a persistent set of symptoms not necessarily any specific biological process.
- DANmode 11mo agoCorrect. and one of the leading causes is what I described.
- SketchySeaBeast 11mo agoYou really have to unpack "detox inefficiency" because even a google search comes back with nothing.
- DANmode 11mo agoWhen your normal lymphatic processes (and glymphatic processes) are slowed, or near-halted.
- criddell 11mo agoIt might be worth using those words rather than detox inefficiency because the latter conjures thoughts of woo peddlers.
- DANmode 11mo agoYes, it turns out toxins (environmental, die-off and waste of cells from infection, dietary, lifestyle) are important to everyone, not just vegans in Sandler movies.
- purple_turtle 11mo agoCan you link any evidence supporting this claim?
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- mapontosevenths 11mo agoWhat is "detox inefficiency"? EDIT - I ask because the only results I get when searching are a Harvard article debunking it. I'd rather hear the opinion of someone that actually believes in it before I read about why it's all malarky. I believe in arguing against the best version of someones argument. https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-dubious-practice-of-detox https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-dubious-p...
- DANmode 11mo agohttps://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/glymphatic-system https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/glymphatic-system PS Thanks for keeping this a good place to be! https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html More for the avid reader: 1.) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7698404/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7698404/ 2.) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40012567/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40012567/ 3.) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36498538/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36498538/
- purple_turtle 11mo agoYour first linked page has no word "depression" on it
- DANmode 11mo agoIt wasn’t intended to. It was just the best “every man” link I could provide for understanding how efficacy of toxin-clearing (toxicity) could be related to depression, other struggles with homeostasis. Did you grasp the connection?
- purple_turtle 11mo agoI am still waiting for something that would support your claim rather than mention something sort - of - related.
- hajile 11mo agoThis theory is a science-free zone. It seems far more likely that the drug induced sudden, overwhelming suicidal thoughts than someone said "I feel the best I've ever felt and life is looking up. I think I'll kill myself and make all the good feelings go away". Furthermore, if the latter were true, it would be an indication that depression was a symptom rather than a cause and the psychiatrist misdiagnosed and improperly treated the patient.