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The newspaper article referenced contains insinuation (linking GrapheneOS to the darkweb, criminal gangs etc), and unnamed sources quoting a police investigatio
by 4ndrewl 11mo ago
The newspaper article referenced contains insinuation (linking GrapheneOS to the darkweb, criminal gangs etc), and unnamed sources quoting a police investigation.
But that sort of thing sells newspapers. There didn't appear to be anything about the French state taking specific action (eg passing a law) against Graphene.
- chris_wot 11mo agoIf they consider the country is making laws they can't accept, then the honourable thing is to no longer allow participation within that country.
- metadope 11mo agoThe honourable thing? More importantly this is the smart choice, the only thing, to do: Shake the dust from your sandals, walk away, don't look back. This is the ongoing horror of the overbearing state, which wants to rule efficiently by knowing everything that everybody is doing all the time. Those who focus on and value law enforcement before freedom.
- mmooss 11mo ago> This What? What is the French state doing in this case?
- betaby 11mo agoOwners of those newspapers are or were politicians. I would call that a politically motivated action against GrapheneOS.
- mmooss 11mo agoThat doesn't follow: It's not their only motivation, nor are the author and editor drones who follow this one motivation. People can write politically motivated things on HN too. That is very different than a law enforcement action of the government.
- betaby 11mo agoThen the law enforcement knocks the door it's already too late. Those articles is the intimidation tactics for now. > People can write politically motivated things on HN too. Sure, and that would be a problem if that was 1) targeted and 2) originated from the people with connections.
- mmooss 11mo agoDo you have evidence of this conspiracy between these French newspaper owners, editors, and writers, and the French government?
- hirako2000 11mo agoSeveral advocacy groups spoke up about it, even explain how that works, yes. Here are a few: https://eu.boell.org/en/2024/04/25/press-freedom-france https://eu.boell.org/en/2024/04/25/press-freedom-france https://ipi.media/france-media-freedom-threats-capture/ https://ipi.media/france-media-freedom-threats-capture/
- jojobas 11mo agoWhy would they want to stop French citizens from using their creation?
- chris_wot 11mo agoBecause they would be violating the laws of another country. The fastest way to prevent this is to prevent access from France. The same way it is being done with the UK.
- mmooss 11mo agoThat makes it very easy for any government or anyone with a little power - like influence over what a newspaper publishes - to shut down GrapheneOS. You don't need any law enforcement, law, process, etc. - GrapheneOS will shut down itself at a hint of criticism.
- chris_wot 11mo agoNot really. If GrapheneOS feels they will be prosecuted in a particular country, then they don’t need to allow participation in that country. It’s their choose and right to do so. They have no obligation to do otherwise. - ~~~~
- gowld 11mo agoThe laws already exist. Graphene team is accusing the French law enforcement of this: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115584160910016309 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115584160910016309 > This doesn't have anything to do with how French journalists have responded to the state actions against GrapheneOS but rather the actions and statements by France's state agencies and law enforcement which are highly concerning. They're making highly inaccurate and libelous claims about GrapheneOS while clearly actively trying to justify taking actions against us. They've shown their hand so we're leaving France including OVH prior to anything bad happening rather than waiting. and more in the thread.
- herbertgreen 11mo agoFrench newspapers are mostly french republic propaganda paid by the state, and laws and political decisions are tested with headlines like this. This is public data, it's not a conspiracy. Lots of newspapers would not exist without the taxpayer money: https://www.culture.gouv.fr/thematiques/presse-ecrite/tableaux-des-titres-de-presse-aides2 https://www.culture.gouv.fr/thematiques/presse-ecrite/tablea...
- bromuro 11mo agoSo… taxpayers’ propaganda?
- sam_lowry_ 11mo agoIf you assume France is democracy )
- thrance 11mo agoExcept the two newspapers here aren't public, they're right-wing rags: Le Figaro and Le Parisien, both owned by right-wing oligarchs (Dassault and Arnault respectively) trying to fuel this climate of fear and hate to further their economic interests by getting a right-wing demagogue elected. Both papers are caught lying all the time, like Fox News.
- wiether 11mo agoMost of the big newspapers ARE propaganda tools and DO receive public money. But they are not a State tool, they are the tools of they owners which are all private billionaires. The public money is here to pretend that, because they receive it, they'll work for the interest of the public. What it actually does is to lower the bill for their owners.
- perihelions 11mo ago> "Particularité de GraphèneOS : on peut se le procurer autant sur le darknet que sur des sites grand public." ⇒ "A distinctive feature of GrapheneOS is that it can be obtained both on the darknet and on mainstream websites."
- aussieguy1234 11mo agoYou could probably get normal android roms on the darknet also. Maybe not a good idea, but this is not unique to grapheneos.
- bigfatkitten 11mo agoYou can get Windows ISOs from the dark web. Maybe they’ll shut down Microsoft next.
- thrance 11mo agoCan confirm, this is nothing but more scaremongering from right-wing rags: Le Figaro and Le Parisien, both owned by right-wing oligarchs (Dassault and Arnault respectively) trying to fuel this climate of fear to further their economic interests by getting a right-wing demagogue elected. Both papers are caught lying all the time, like Fox News. You shouldn't be taking this seriously. What you should take seriously though, is this amping up of right-wing populist rhetoric, manufacturing a mass hysteria about crime (when it's at its lowest point in decades) that is then used to justify increasingly authoritarian policies.
- cyanydeez 11mo agoKeep in mind, until the "liberals" create a proper state that isn't easily capitulated to the far right fear, the risk of these rags becoming defacto, and these threats becoming policy, like they did in America, it's a legitimate threat. It's just not today, but tomorrow.
- ipaddr 11mo agoDon't get trapped by right or left they are all owned by oligarchs trying to push or pull the public towards some agenda that benefits them, sometimes other oligarchs but rarely you. The crime is down stat is a political stat that doesn't tell you are safer. It could mean police are not going after small crimes or people just stop reporting them or they are classified differently. It could say money spent on law enforcement is working and more is needed. On the other hand it could say community outreach and educational coapaigns are working. Many previous crimes reported thats changing with a more racially diverse force. It tells you whatever you want to believe.
- thrance 11mo agoI don't know of any left-wing oligarchs. That almost sounds like an oxymoron. Don't get trapped in bothsideism or enlightened centrism, one sides is that much more aggressive with the lies and hate. As for the crime stat, you can always control for such things, to an extent. If we can't trust the official statistics office, then what should we base our policies off? Vibes? There are certainly things to improve with how the stats are collected and used, but you can't just go around telling everyone they're useless and providing no alternatives.