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“Better” is largely subjective. For some (including myself), a Windows-like paradigm like KDE uses is not desirable, and UI papercuts like the many that KDE has

“Better” is largely subjective. For some (including myself), a Windows-like paradigm like KDE uses is not desirable, and UI papercuts like the many that KDE has are highly visible.

kombine 11mo ago
I don't keep the record of every thing that I don't like about MacOS, but here's some: - cannot keep natural scrolling for trackpad whilst having the expected scrolling behaviour for the mouse - needs an external app for fractional display scaling - screenshot tool is objectively inferior to that in Plasma, eg. not clear how to annotate a screenshot or copy it to clipboard - Dolphin file browser is has cleaner and simpler UI, is more configurable and has a built-in terminal which is super handy. ...
- darrenf 11mo ago
  Can’t comment on the others but I copy screenshots to the clipboard multiple times a day in macOS and have done for years. Very frequently I send them via Screen Sharing to another Mac and paste there, something I value hugely.
- cosmic_cheese 11mo ago
  Dolphin is one of the things about KDE that bothers me, due to the way its windows are laid out and how they use margins/spacing. It just feels “wrong” in a way that even most other Linux file managers (including more full featured ones that still have a menubar) don’t.
- al_borland 11mo ago
  macOS has markup tools for screenshots (or any image) built right into Quicklook and Preview. It’s not as rich as something like SnagIt, but it’s good enough for adding some text, arrows, shapes, redactions, etc.
- rollcat 11mo ago
  > needs an external app for fractional display scaling Huh? I go to Settings -> Displays -> Advanced -> Show resolutions as list -> Show all resolutions -> you can literally pick *whatever* your screen will advertise? *Maybe* that's one or two clicks too many? Arguably you don't want non-technical users to accidentally set up blurry text.
- swiftcoder 11mo ago
  > - screenshot tool is objectively inferior to that in Plasma, eg. not clear how to annotate a screenshot or copy it to clipboard I'm not sure what to make of this. When you take a screenshot (i.e. via cmd-shift-3 or cmd-shift-4), right there in the window that pops up are the annotation tools and a button to copy to clipboard?
  - Aloisius 11mo ago
    You can also screenshot directly to the clipboard by adding control to the keyboard shortcut (e.g. control-shift-command-3).
OhMeadhbh 11mo ago
There are objective criteria that macOS definitely fails at. Various government agencies here in the states can't use macs even if they wanted to due to lack of #a11y support or the ability to load their own root cert stores. I agree with you that for MOST people, MOST of the complaints boil down to "I just don't like the Mac UX," but there are organizations that cannot tolerate the risk of forcing employees to use equipment that doesn't follow even the basics of section 508 or DoD guidance.
- astrange 11mo ago
  What accessibility is it missing?
- mrkstu 11mo ago
  You can import new roots via Keychain, correct?
  - cosmic_cheese 11mo ago
    Yes.
  - OhMeadhbh 11mo ago
    You can't install roots for all apps, notably the app store. Various government agencies occasionally like to install apps that are not web apps.
    - Aloisius 11mo ago
      I'm not sure I understand. What software do they expect to install via the App Store that can't be installed with the Apple's root certificates? Apple signs everything listed on the App Store, does it not? Also, why would they need the App Store to distribute software signed by their own keys anyway?
      - OhMeadhbh 11mo ago
        Assume you're a government agency. Assume you want to install software that isn't in the AppStore. Perhaps some software you wrote yourself. Sure, the security of the system should be based on keying material, but you still don't want the general public to know you're installing Coup d'Etat 2.1 on your devices. And you don't want Apple to know that you're installing Corporate Fiscal Surveillance 1.1 on your iDevice. It would be nice if you could maintain the many security features that DO exist while at the same time installing apps on your devices you want to install without having to have them blessed by Apple's dev CA.
heavyset_go 11mo ago
I use KDE because it lets me emulate a macOS-like paradigm better than Gnome or other options can.
- rollcat 11mo ago
  Tried it for a while, it was death by a thousand papercuts. I wanted the Konsole theme to stay in sync with system light/dark theme. I ended up writing a pair of .desktop files and a helper program to talk to DBus. I want to use my computer, not configure it.

“Better” is largely subjective. For some (including myself), a Windows-like paradigm like KDE uses is not desirable, and UI papercuts like the many that KDE has are highly visible.

kombine 11mo ago

I don't keep the record of every thing that I don't like about MacOS, but here's some: - cannot keep natural scrolling for trackpad whilst having the expected scrolling behaviour for the mouse - needs an external app for fractional display scaling - screenshot tool is objectively inferior to that in Plasma, eg. not clear how to annotate a screenshot or copy it to clipboard - Dolphin file browser is has cleaner and simpler UI, is more configurable and has a built-in terminal which is super handy. ...

darrenf 11mo ago
Can’t comment on the others but I copy screenshots to the clipboard multiple times a day in macOS and have done for years. Very frequently I send them via Screen Sharing to another Mac and paste there, something I value hugely.
cosmic_cheese 11mo ago
Dolphin is one of the things about KDE that bothers me, due to the way its windows are laid out and how they use margins/spacing. It just feels “wrong” in a way that even most other Linux file managers (including more full featured ones that still have a menubar) don’t.
al_borland 11mo ago
macOS has markup tools for screenshots (or any image) built right into Quicklook and Preview. It’s not as rich as something like SnagIt, but it’s good enough for adding some text, arrows, shapes, redactions, etc.
rollcat 11mo ago
> needs an external app for fractional display scaling Huh? I go to Settings -> Displays -> Advanced -> Show resolutions as list -> Show all resolutions -> you can literally pick *whatever* your screen will advertise? *Maybe* that's one or two clicks too many? Arguably you don't want non-technical users to accidentally set up blurry text.
swiftcoder 11mo ago
> - screenshot tool is objectively inferior to that in Plasma, eg. not clear how to annotate a screenshot or copy it to clipboard I'm not sure what to make of this. When you take a screenshot (i.e. via cmd-shift-3 or cmd-shift-4), right there in the window that pops up are the annotation tools and a button to copy to clipboard?
- Aloisius 11mo ago
  You can also screenshot directly to the clipboard by adding control to the keyboard shortcut (e.g. control-shift-command-3).

OhMeadhbh 11mo ago

There are objective criteria that macOS definitely fails at. Various government agencies here in the states can't use macs even if they wanted to due to lack of #a11y support or the ability to load their own root cert stores. I agree with you that for MOST people, MOST of the complaints boil down to "I just don't like the Mac UX," but there are organizations that cannot tolerate the risk of forcing employees to use equipment that doesn't follow even the basics of section 508 or DoD guidance.

astrange 11mo ago
What accessibility is it missing?
mrkstu 11mo ago
You can import new roots via Keychain, correct?
- cosmic_cheese 11mo ago
  Yes.
- OhMeadhbh 11mo ago
  You can't install roots for all apps, notably the app store. Various government agencies occasionally like to install apps that are not web apps.
  - Aloisius 11mo ago
    I'm not sure I understand. What software do they expect to install via the App Store that can't be installed with the Apple's root certificates? Apple signs everything listed on the App Store, does it not? Also, why would they need the App Store to distribute software signed by their own keys anyway?
    - OhMeadhbh 11mo ago
      Assume you're a government agency. Assume you want to install software that isn't in the AppStore. Perhaps some software you wrote yourself. Sure, the security of the system should be based on keying material, but you still don't want the general public to know you're installing Coup d'Etat 2.1 on your devices. And you don't want Apple to know that you're installing Corporate Fiscal Surveillance 1.1 on your iDevice. It would be nice if you could maintain the many security features that DO exist while at the same time installing apps on your devices you want to install without having to have them blessed by Apple's dev CA.

heavyset_go 11mo ago

I use KDE because it lets me emulate a macOS-like paradigm better than Gnome or other options can.

rollcat 11mo ago
Tried it for a while, it was death by a thousand papercuts. I wanted the Konsole theme to stay in sync with system light/dark theme. I ended up writing a pair of .desktop files and a helper program to talk to DBus. I want to use my computer, not configure it.