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Eh. You can't see it, because you are not affected, which, to be fair, is a common human condition. The fascinating part about it is that you are even able to p

Eh. You can't see it, because you are not affected, which, to be fair, is a common human condition. The fascinating part about it is that you are even able to pin point obvious false positive and still fail to understand the implications. I suspect, though I do not know, that should your personal belief ( that happened to be associated with a semi-random object ) was somehow outlawed, you would feel differently. If you do not know, you don't. Nothing to be seen. Why won't those people just let go of their outmoded belief systems:D Good grief.

MangoToupe 11mo ago
Of course I can understand why people who want to hang a swastika feel unfairly treated; i'm just curious why their belief system seems to be more important than a stable society.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 11mo ago
  Interesting. Most reasonable people would agree that things do not exist in a vacuum and that competing values, such as they are, may need to be preserved. This can mean a lot of different things across societies as consensus is established ( because it will vary and vary wildly ). Now, there absolutely is value in a stable society, but if it is the main value that we optimize for then minimizing that belief system is a surefire way to undermine it. Naturally, if you are telling me belief systems don't matter, please say so. If you believe only some belief systems matter, please list that ones that meet your acceptable threshold. I am not a religions scholar or social academic, but that sounds to me a bit counter productive.
  - techblueberry 11mo ago
    > Most reasonable people would agree that things do not exist in a vacuum and that competing values, such as they are, may need to be preserved. I don’t think this is true at all. Most people are pretty ideological and think there are certain toxic ideas that need to be expunged from society. We don’t agree what those things are but ideology is a power struggle. Pure ideological libertarians are rare.
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techblueberry 11mo ago
I’m more worried about the 6 million true positives, especially with high level people in the GOP talking about the parties “Nazi Problem”
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 11mo ago
  Fascinating. Is it fair to state that you are the type of person that would rather have an innocent be trampled by the system than a guilty go free? Because, unironically too, you managed to do just that to ~3 million Buddhists in US[1] -- quite literally a religious minority. Naturally, this is before we get to the fun parts like definition of a nazi, that a sane system would normally not focus on 'true positives', but whether it is reasonable. Honestly, you make me smile. Do you know why? Because I know, just as you do in your heart of hearts, that if dura lex sed lex came after you, you would be trying to tell me how unfair the system is and that it should let you slip through the cracks. Still, know that I love you; as flawed as you are. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_the_United_States
  - techblueberry 11mo ago
    “ Is it fair to state that you are the type of person that would rather have an innocent be trampled by the system than a guilty go free? ” Nope. I think it’s something like a 27:1 ratio. I don’t believe in moral absolutism.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 11mo ago
      Then the problem is -- thankfully -- more nuanced. How do you reconcile those competing ideas within you?

MangoToupe 11mo ago

Of course I can understand why people who want to hang a swastika feel unfairly treated; i'm just curious why their belief system seems to be more important than a stable society.

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 11mo ago
Interesting. Most reasonable people would agree that things do not exist in a vacuum and that competing values, such as they are, may need to be preserved. This can mean a lot of different things across societies as consensus is established ( because it will vary and vary wildly ). Now, there absolutely is value in a stable society, but if it is the main value that we optimize for then minimizing that belief system is a surefire way to undermine it. Naturally, if you are telling me belief systems don't matter, please say so. If you believe only some belief systems matter, please list that ones that meet your acceptable threshold. I am not a religions scholar or social academic, but that sounds to me a bit counter productive.
- techblueberry 11mo ago
  > Most reasonable people would agree that things do not exist in a vacuum and that competing values, such as they are, may need to be preserved. I don’t think this is true at all. Most people are pretty ideological and think there are certain toxic ideas that need to be expunged from society. We don’t agree what those things are but ideology is a power struggle. Pure ideological libertarians are rare.
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techblueberry 11mo ago

I’m more worried about the 6 million true positives, especially with high level people in the GOP talking about the parties “Nazi Problem”

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 11mo ago
Fascinating. Is it fair to state that you are the type of person that would rather have an innocent be trampled by the system than a guilty go free? Because, unironically too, you managed to do just that to ~3 million Buddhists in US[1] -- quite literally a religious minority. Naturally, this is before we get to the fun parts like definition of a nazi, that a sane system would normally not focus on 'true positives', but whether it is reasonable. Honestly, you make me smile. Do you know why? Because I know, just as you do in your heart of hearts, that if dura lex sed lex came after you, you would be trying to tell me how unfair the system is and that it should let you slip through the cracks. Still, know that I love you; as flawed as you are. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_the_United_States
- techblueberry 11mo ago
  “ Is it fair to state that you are the type of person that would rather have an innocent be trampled by the system than a guilty go free? ” Nope. I think it’s something like a 27:1 ratio. I don’t believe in moral absolutism.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 11mo ago
    Then the problem is -- thankfully -- more nuanced. How do you reconcile those competing ideas within you?