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Aren't your healthcare costs going to rapidly increase soon? Also with an approval rating so low, most Americans seem not to agree.

by _joel 11mo ago

PKop 11mo ago
You mean aren't there already massive problems with high healthcare costs here? Yes. And housing costs. And car insurance costs. And property tax costs. Having millions of foreigners here who are net-costs to taxpayers doesn't make it better it makes it worse. Cost of living goes down massively if we were to deport 30 million illegal aliens. Then there's the H1B and other visas fiasco. Wages go up for Americans if this program is scrapped. Part of the discontent with Trump is he is not acting aggressively enough on any of this. So he has approval problems from all sides. And whether people agree with those like me that identify cost of living pressures as caused in large part by immigration, those same people and everyone else are going to have general "disapproval" and unhappiness with the effects. When you have an average of 2.4 million new people pouring in for 4 years, the collateral damage is bad and eveyone is feeling it now.
- TimorousBestie 11mo ago
  Which funny definition of illegal alien are you using that adds up to 30 million? I did some idle googling and neither “no legal status” nor “no lawful presence” amount to that many.
  - jeromegv 11mo ago
    Probably remove status to people who had a legal status. Which they did already quite a bit in that administration. If legal people are suddenly illegal, that sure helps their rhetoric.
    - TimorousBestie 11mo ago
      Yes, that occurred to me, but the full number of foreign-born residents is in the 50-60mill range. I assumed if that was the goal they would have gone with the larger number cause it looks scarier, but no. There must be some weird middle ground where they only want to denaturalize some people, and I kinda want to know where they draw that line.
- russellbeattie 11mo ago
  > "foreigners here who are net-costs to taxpayers"? This is a straight up falsehood, using any measure you'd like. Why do regressives insist on just making things up to justify their prejudices? The recent surge in immigration is going to lower the deficit by nearly $1 trillion over the next decade. Unauthorized immigrants pay federal taxes yet receive no federal services. They commit less crime, fulfill unmet labor needs at both ends of the skill ladder, and cost less than the average American in terms of healthcare. Your whole worldview is based on stuff you just made up in your head and right wing fever dreams.

Aren't your healthcare costs going to rapidly increase soon? Also with an approval rating so low, most Americans seem not to agree.

by _joel 11mo ago

Aren't your healthcare costs going to rapidly increase soon? Also with an approval rating so low, most Americans seem not to agree.

PKop 11mo ago

You mean aren't there already massive problems with high healthcare costs here? Yes. And housing costs. And car insurance costs. And property tax costs. Having millions of foreigners here who are net-costs to taxpayers doesn't make it better it makes it worse. Cost of living goes down massively if we were to deport 30 million illegal aliens. Then there's the H1B and other visas fiasco. Wages go up for Americans if this program is scrapped. Part of the discontent with Trump is he is not acting aggressively enough on any of this. So he has approval problems from all sides. And whether people agree with those like me that identify cost of living pressures as caused in large part by immigration, those same people and everyone else are going to have general "disapproval" and unhappiness with the effects. When you have an average of 2.4 million new people pouring in for 4 years, the collateral damage is bad and eveyone is feeling it now.

TimorousBestie 11mo ago
Which funny definition of illegal alien are you using that adds up to 30 million? I did some idle googling and neither “no legal status” nor “no lawful presence” amount to that many.
- jeromegv 11mo ago
  Probably remove status to people who had a legal status. Which they did already quite a bit in that administration. If legal people are suddenly illegal, that sure helps their rhetoric.
  - TimorousBestie 11mo ago
    Yes, that occurred to me, but the full number of foreign-born residents is in the 50-60mill range. I assumed if that was the goal they would have gone with the larger number cause it looks scarier, but no. There must be some weird middle ground where they only want to denaturalize some people, and I kinda want to know where they draw that line.
russellbeattie 11mo ago
> "foreigners here who are net-costs to taxpayers"? This is a straight up falsehood, using any measure you'd like. Why do regressives insist on just making things up to justify their prejudices? The recent surge in immigration is going to lower the deficit by nearly $1 trillion over the next decade. Unauthorized immigrants pay federal taxes yet receive no federal services. They commit less crime, fulfill unmet labor needs at both ends of the skill ladder, and cost less than the average American in terms of healthcare. Your whole worldview is based on stuff you just made up in your head and right wing fever dreams.