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Pretty sure Republicans always supported defending the border from drug trafficking and illegal immigration.

by EnPissant 11mo ago

peterashford 11mo ago
Everyone supports that?
lesuorac 11mo ago
Gary, Indiana does not have a border with a foreign country so why do CBP need to monitor drivers there?
- EnPissant 11mo ago
  It’s a logistics chokepoint for drugs coming across the southwest border into the Chicago area.
  - lesuorac 11mo ago
    > It’s a logistics chokepoint for drugs coming across the southwest border into the Chicago area The ? You mean to say you're supporting a checkpoint in Indiana to catch drugs that came from Mexico? Fix the checkpoint in Texas then if it's leaking drugs to Indiana ...
    - EnPissant 11mo ago
      It's not a checkpoint, it's surveillance. Presumably CBP is not stupid and that surveillance is providing value they can not otherwise get only in Texas.
      - lesuorac 11mo ago
        They've been at these programs for decades; if they were effective we wouldn't be in a drug epidemic At some point you have to cut your losses and accept that the only benefits were the politicians Flock donated to. I'm not saying you have to abolish CBP. I'm saying they should be protecting the border and this ain't it.
        EnPissant 11mo ago
        Do you feel the same way about murder? Gary, Indiana has a murder problem for decades. Should we stop prosecuting it? Would murder get better or worse?
        thunderfork 11mo ago
        [dead]
    - throwway120385 11mo ago
      I guess we could build a wall or something.
- almosthere 11mo ago
  Airplanes exist
- xdennis 11mo ago
  Millions of illegal aliens have entered the US under Biden. They're not all hanging at the border. Of course CBP needs to go everywhere in the US to remove all of them.
bdangubic 11mo ago
lol
- nxor 11mo ago
  It's funny until you personally are affected.
  - bdangubic 11mo ago
    funnier to believe that republicans always supported defending the border from drug trafficking and illegal immigration. - much funnier :)
ActorNightly 11mo ago
Is that why Trump killed the CBP funding bill in the beginning of 2024?
- EnPissant 11mo ago
  Trump wasn't in office at that time. He urged Republicans to not pass it for various reasons which I will not enumerate here, and CBP was funded weeks later.
  - gbear605 11mo ago
    The reasons you don’t want to enumerate here are “he wanted only Republicans to look good on the border by ensuring that nothing could get passed while a Democrat is president”. He doesn’t care about the border, he cares about authoritarianism and party politics.
  - ActorNightly 11mo ago
    >which I will not enumerate here Translated to "Even though I know that most republicans said they didn't want to go against someone who had a very good chance winning in 2024 for the fear that they would get their political career destroyed, because that is what Trump explicitly said to them, I will vaguely allude to some fringe statements about things that haven never been proven true in regards to other aspects of the bill as the reason Republicans didn't vote for it, because in no way shape or form will I ever admit that I was wrong. I don't get why people on your side still think that saying shit like this makes you sound smart. That ship has long sailed.
    - EnPissant 11mo ago
      There were a lot of things not to like about the bill, such as being tied to Israel/Ukraine aid, setting an emergency trigger that normalized flooding the border, and it being a token measure for Biden to use in the election.
hypeatei 11mo ago
Ah yes, illegal immigration is like the new "terrorism"... everything must be done to stop it which includes giving CBP and ICE unchecked power.
- EnPissant 11mo ago
  In reality, CBP and ICE have very little power.
  - macintux 11mo ago
    ICE has very little legal authority and is yet the current president’s ground troops to lock up everyone who looks foreign. I’d say they have all the power they need.
  - vasco 11mo ago
    ICE can walk into your house / pull you out of the car with masks on and kidnap you without showing you any papers. That's more power than a lot of other agencies
- almosthere 11mo ago
  why not legally migrate, millions have done it in the past.
- potato3732842 11mo ago
  Before terrorists it was drugs, before that it was communists, before that it was communists with less weed and shorter hair. Eventually you realize your enemy isn't the system. The system is like a misbehaving toddler that's never been disciplined. It acts as badly as it can get away with. Your enemy is your fellow countryman, you coworkers, your own family. And from that realization comes nothing actionable nor good conclusions, only despair...

Pretty sure Republicans always supported defending the border from drug trafficking and illegal immigration.

peterashford 11mo ago

Everyone supports that?

lesuorac 11mo ago

Gary, Indiana does not have a border with a foreign country so why do CBP need to monitor drivers there?

EnPissant 11mo ago
It’s a logistics chokepoint for drugs coming across the southwest border into the Chicago area.
- lesuorac 11mo ago
  > It’s a logistics chokepoint for drugs coming across the southwest border into the Chicago area The ? You mean to say you're supporting a checkpoint in Indiana to catch drugs that came from Mexico? Fix the checkpoint in Texas then if it's leaking drugs to Indiana ...
  - EnPissant 11mo ago
    It's not a checkpoint, it's surveillance. Presumably CBP is not stupid and that surveillance is providing value they can not otherwise get only in Texas.
    - lesuorac 11mo ago
      They've been at these programs for decades; if they were effective we wouldn't be in a drug epidemic At some point you have to cut your losses and accept that the only benefits were the politicians Flock donated to. I'm not saying you have to abolish CBP. I'm saying they should be protecting the border and this ain't it.
      - EnPissant 11mo ago
        Do you feel the same way about murder? Gary, Indiana has a murder problem for decades. Should we stop prosecuting it? Would murder get better or worse?
        thunderfork 11mo ago
        [dead]
  - throwway120385 11mo ago
    I guess we could build a wall or something.
almosthere 11mo ago
Airplanes exist
xdennis 11mo ago
Millions of illegal aliens have entered the US under Biden. They're not all hanging at the border. Of course CBP needs to go everywhere in the US to remove all of them.

bdangubic 11mo ago

lol

nxor 11mo ago
It's funny until you personally are affected.
- bdangubic 11mo ago
  funnier to believe that republicans always supported defending the border from drug trafficking and illegal immigration. - much funnier :)

ActorNightly 11mo ago

Is that why Trump killed the CBP funding bill in the beginning of 2024?

EnPissant 11mo ago
Trump wasn't in office at that time. He urged Republicans to not pass it for various reasons which I will not enumerate here, and CBP was funded weeks later.
- gbear605 11mo ago
  The reasons you don’t want to enumerate here are “he wanted only Republicans to look good on the border by ensuring that nothing could get passed while a Democrat is president”. He doesn’t care about the border, he cares about authoritarianism and party politics.
- ActorNightly 11mo ago
  >which I will not enumerate here Translated to "Even though I know that most republicans said they didn't want to go against someone who had a very good chance winning in 2024 for the fear that they would get their political career destroyed, because that is what Trump explicitly said to them, I will vaguely allude to some fringe statements about things that haven never been proven true in regards to other aspects of the bill as the reason Republicans didn't vote for it, because in no way shape or form will I ever admit that I was wrong. I don't get why people on your side still think that saying shit like this makes you sound smart. That ship has long sailed.
  - EnPissant 11mo ago
    There were a lot of things not to like about the bill, such as being tied to Israel/Ukraine aid, setting an emergency trigger that normalized flooding the border, and it being a token measure for Biden to use in the election.

hypeatei 11mo ago

Ah yes, illegal immigration is like the new "terrorism"... everything must be done to stop it which includes giving CBP and ICE unchecked power.

EnPissant 11mo ago
In reality, CBP and ICE have very little power.
- macintux 11mo ago
  ICE has very little legal authority and is yet the current president’s ground troops to lock up everyone who looks foreign. I’d say they have all the power they need.
- vasco 11mo ago
  ICE can walk into your house / pull you out of the car with masks on and kidnap you without showing you any papers. That's more power than a lot of other agencies
almosthere 11mo ago
why not legally migrate, millions have done it in the past.
potato3732842 11mo ago
Before terrorists it was drugs, before that it was communists, before that it was communists with less weed and shorter hair. Eventually you realize your enemy isn't the system. The system is like a misbehaving toddler that's never been disciplined. It acts as badly as it can get away with. Your enemy is your fellow countryman, you coworkers, your own family. And from that realization comes nothing actionable nor good conclusions, only despair...