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And that's not a good thing.

mlmonkey 11mo ago
I'm just responding to this by OP: > Were politicians 20 years ago as overreative they'd have demanded Photoshop leave a trace on anything it edited.
fwip 11mo ago
Why not? Like, genuinely.
- potsandpans 11mo ago
  I generally don't think that's it's good or just for a government to collude with manufacturers to track/trace it's citizens without consent or notice. And even if notice was given, I'd still be against it The arguments put forward by people generally I don't find compelling -- for example, in this thread around protecting against counterfeit. The "force" applied to address these concerns is totally out of proportion. Whenever these discussions happen, I feel like they descend into a general viewpoint, "if we could technically solve any possible crime, we should do everything in our power to solve it." I'm against this viewpoint, and acknowledge that that means _some crime_ occurs. That's acceptable to me. I don't feel that society is correctly structured to "treat" crime appropriately, and technology has outpaced our ability to holistically address it. Generally, I don't see (speaking for the US) the highest incarceration rate in the world to be a good thing, or being generally effective, and I don't believe that increasing that number will change outcomes.
  - fwip 11mo ago
    Gotcha, thanks for the explanation. I think that personally, I agree with your stance that it's a bad kind of thing for government to do, but in practice I find that I'm in favor of the effects of this specific law. (Perhaps I need to do some thinking.)
oblio 11mo ago
It depends on how you're looking at it. For the people not getting handed counterfeit currency, it's probably a good thing.
- fwip 11mo ago
  Also probably good for the people trying to counterfeit money with a printer, better not to end up in jail for that.
wing-_-nuts 11mo ago
Nope, having a stable, trusted currency trumps whatever productive use one could have for a anonymous, currency reproducing color printer

I'm just responding to this by OP: > Were politicians 20 years ago as overreative they'd have demanded Photoshop leave a trace on anything it edited.

fwip 11mo ago

Why not? Like, genuinely.

potsandpans 11mo ago
I generally don't think that's it's good or just for a government to collude with manufacturers to track/trace it's citizens without consent or notice. And even if notice was given, I'd still be against it The arguments put forward by people generally I don't find compelling -- for example, in this thread around protecting against counterfeit. The "force" applied to address these concerns is totally out of proportion. Whenever these discussions happen, I feel like they descend into a general viewpoint, "if we could technically solve any possible crime, we should do everything in our power to solve it." I'm against this viewpoint, and acknowledge that that means _some crime_ occurs. That's acceptable to me. I don't feel that society is correctly structured to "treat" crime appropriately, and technology has outpaced our ability to holistically address it. Generally, I don't see (speaking for the US) the highest incarceration rate in the world to be a good thing, or being generally effective, and I don't believe that increasing that number will change outcomes.
- fwip 11mo ago
  Gotcha, thanks for the explanation. I think that personally, I agree with your stance that it's a bad kind of thing for government to do, but in practice I find that I'm in favor of the effects of this specific law. (Perhaps I need to do some thinking.)

oblio 11mo ago

It depends on how you're looking at it. For the people not getting handed counterfeit currency, it's probably a good thing.

fwip 11mo ago
Also probably good for the people trying to counterfeit money with a printer, better not to end up in jail for that.

wing-_-nuts 11mo ago

Nope, having a stable, trusted currency trumps whatever productive use one could have for a anonymous, currency reproducing color printer