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Can anyone please explain me the invisible watermarking mentioned in the said promo?

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nickdonnelly 1y ago
It's called Synth ID. It's a watermark that proves an image was generated by AI. https://deepmind.google/models/synthid/ https://deepmind.google/models/synthid/
- VladVladikoff 1y ago
  Super important for Google as a search engine so they can filter out and downrank AI generated results. However I expect there are many models out there which don’t do this, that everyone could use instead. So in the end a “feature” like this makes me less likely to use their model because I don’t know how Google will end up treating my blog post if I decide to include an AI generated or AI edited image.
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - Filligree 1y ago
    It’s required by EU regulations. Any public generator that doesn’t do it, is in violation of that unless it’s entirely inaccessible from the EU… But of course there’s no way to enforce it on local generation.
    - Aloisius 1y ago
      The EU didn't define any specific method of watermarking nor does it need to be tamper resistant. Even if they had specified it though, it's easy to remove watermarks like SynthID.
      - VladVladikoff 1y ago
        I have been curious about this myself. I tried a few basic stenography detection type tools to look for watermarks but didn’t find anything. Are you aware of any tools that do what you are suggesting?
        Aloisius 1y ago
        https://github.com/andrekassis/ai-watermark https://github.com/andrekassis/ai-watermark
- airstrike 1y ago
  So whoever creates AI content needs to voluntarily adopt this so that Google can sell "technology" for identifying said content? Not sure how that makes any sense
- raincole 1y ago
  *by Google's AI.
  - zamadatix 1y ago
    By anybody's AI using SynthID watermarking, not just Google's AI using SynthID watermarking (it looks like partnership is not open to just anyone though, you have to apply).
- jsheard 1y ago
  In theory, at least. In practice maybe not. https://i.imgur.com/WKckRmi.png https://i.imgur.com/WKckRmi.png
  - raincole 1y ago
    ? Google doesn't claim that Gemini would call SynthID detector at this point. Edit: well they actually do. I guess it is not rolled out yet.
    - jsheard 1y ago
      From the OP: > Today, we are putting a powerful verification tool directly in consumers’ hands: you can now upload an image into the Gemini app and simply ask if it was generated by Google AI, thanks to SynthID technology. We are starting with images, but will expand to audio and video soon. Re-rolling a few times got it to mention trying SynthID, but as a false negative, assuming it actually did the check and isn't just bullshitting. > No Digital Watermark Detected: I was unable to detect any digital watermarks (such as Google's SynthID) that would definitively label it as being generated by a specific AI tool. This would be a lot simpler if they just exposed the detector directly, but apparently the future is coaxing an LLM into doing a tool call and then second guessing whether it actually ran the tool.
KolmogorovComp 1y ago
Has anyone found out how to use Synth ID? If I want to if some images are AI, how can I do?

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It's called Synth ID. It's a watermark that proves an image was generated by AI. https://deepmind.google/models/synthid/ https://deepmind.google/models/synthid/

VladVladikoff 1y ago
Super important for Google as a search engine so they can filter out and downrank AI generated results. However I expect there are many models out there which don’t do this, that everyone could use instead. So in the end a “feature” like this makes me less likely to use their model because I don’t know how Google will end up treating my blog post if I decide to include an AI generated or AI edited image.
- deleted 1y ago
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- Filligree 1y ago
  It’s required by EU regulations. Any public generator that doesn’t do it, is in violation of that unless it’s entirely inaccessible from the EU… But of course there’s no way to enforce it on local generation.
  - Aloisius 1y ago
    The EU didn't define any specific method of watermarking nor does it need to be tamper resistant. Even if they had specified it though, it's easy to remove watermarks like SynthID.
    - VladVladikoff 1y ago
      I have been curious about this myself. I tried a few basic stenography detection type tools to look for watermarks but didn’t find anything. Are you aware of any tools that do what you are suggesting?
      - Aloisius 1y ago
        https://github.com/andrekassis/ai-watermark https://github.com/andrekassis/ai-watermark
airstrike 1y ago
So whoever creates AI content needs to voluntarily adopt this so that Google can sell "technology" for identifying said content? Not sure how that makes any sense
raincole 1y ago
*by Google's AI.
- zamadatix 1y ago
  By anybody's AI using SynthID watermarking, not just Google's AI using SynthID watermarking (it looks like partnership is not open to just anyone though, you have to apply).
jsheard 1y ago
In theory, at least. In practice maybe not. https://i.imgur.com/WKckRmi.png https://i.imgur.com/WKckRmi.png
- raincole 1y ago
  ? Google doesn't claim that Gemini would call SynthID detector at this point. Edit: well they actually do. I guess it is not rolled out yet.
  - jsheard 1y ago
    From the OP: > Today, we are putting a powerful verification tool directly in consumers’ hands: you can now upload an image into the Gemini app and simply ask if it was generated by Google AI, thanks to SynthID technology. We are starting with images, but will expand to audio and video soon. Re-rolling a few times got it to mention trying SynthID, but as a false negative, assuming it actually did the check and isn't just bullshitting. > No Digital Watermark Detected: I was unable to detect any digital watermarks (such as Google's SynthID) that would definitively label it as being generated by a specific AI tool. This would be a lot simpler if they just exposed the detector directly, but apparently the future is coaxing an LLM into doing a tool call and then second guessing whether it actually ran the tool.

KolmogorovComp 1y ago

Has anyone found out how to use Synth ID? If I want to if some images are AI, how can I do?