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>>the BBC coverage of the Scottish independence referendum, Corbyn, and Brexit was embarrassing. Yes, they were clearly pro-Remain and anti-Corbyn and anti-Sco

by gadders 11mo ago

>>the BBC coverage of the Scottish independence referendum, Corbyn, and Brexit was embarrassing. Yes, they were clearly pro-Remain and anti-Corbyn and anti-Scottish independence. >> The Prescott memo is just the latest observation of how the BBC has been used as a tool to propagate elite opinions and accomplish intelligence objectives. Yes, it demonstrated examples of bias in favour of those elite opinions.

gmac 11mo ago
> they were clearly pro-Remain I would say they were a lot less pro-Remain than the facts were, such that they were effectively heavily biased towards Leave. Typically they'd interview someone to factually explain how Brexit would be bad, and then 'balance' it up by giving equal airtime to some liar/fantastist telling us how it would be wonderful.
- gadders 11mo ago
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  - gmac 11mo ago
    Haha. But no, not only that. 90% of economists thought Brexit would be net bad [1]. But at least 50% of economists the BBC put on air thought it would be net good [2]. Edit: here's a longer-form version of this argument: https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2018/04/brexit-and-corbyn-how-our-media-fails.html https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2018/04/brexit-and-corbyn-h... [1] https://ifs.org.uk/articles/paul-johnson-leavers-may-not-economists-we-are-right-about-brexit https://ifs.org.uk/articles/paul-johnson-leavers-may-not-eco... [2] Waking up to the Today programme for years (yes, a better source here would be nice)
    - gadders 11mo ago
      All that shows is that 90% of economists were wrong. I mean I don't think it was massively good (government fumbles saw to that) but the UK isn't doing significantly worse than the rest of Europe, or worse than it was pre-Brexit. Economics isn't a proper science, but even so it's not a democracy - more people saying x rather than y doesn't guarantee they're correct.
      - gmac 11mo ago
        Nope. https://www.brexitcost.org/ https://www.brexitcost.org/
        gadders 11mo ago
        Yeah, modelling like this to prove a counterfactual seems completely legit.
pjc50 11mo ago
It is grimly funny how the Conservative party (Cameron) looked at the indyref, with its 48/52 win with all three main parties and almost all the media on their side, and decided that this was a big win and they could do it again. But this time the media would be on the other side, and pro-Leave were the ones making all the big undeliverable promises in all directions.
- arethuza 11mo ago
  Nitpick: the Scottish Independence Referendum was 44.7% Yes and 55.3% No https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Scottish_independence_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Scottish_independence_ref...

by gadders 11mo ago

gmac 11mo ago

> they were clearly pro-Remain I would say they were a lot less pro-Remain than the facts were, such that they were effectively heavily biased towards Leave. Typically they'd interview someone to factually explain how Brexit would be bad, and then 'balance' it up by giving equal airtime to some liar/fantastist telling us how it would be wonderful.

gadders 11mo ago
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- gmac 11mo ago
  Haha. But no, not only that. 90% of economists thought Brexit would be net bad [1]. But at least 50% of economists the BBC put on air thought it would be net good [2]. Edit: here's a longer-form version of this argument: https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2018/04/brexit-and-corbyn-how-our-media-fails.html https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2018/04/brexit-and-corbyn-h... [1] https://ifs.org.uk/articles/paul-johnson-leavers-may-not-economists-we-are-right-about-brexit https://ifs.org.uk/articles/paul-johnson-leavers-may-not-eco... [2] Waking up to the Today programme for years (yes, a better source here would be nice)
  - gadders 11mo ago
    All that shows is that 90% of economists were wrong. I mean I don't think it was massively good (government fumbles saw to that) but the UK isn't doing significantly worse than the rest of Europe, or worse than it was pre-Brexit. Economics isn't a proper science, but even so it's not a democracy - more people saying x rather than y doesn't guarantee they're correct.
    - gmac 11mo ago
      Nope. https://www.brexitcost.org/ https://www.brexitcost.org/
      - gadders 11mo ago
        Yeah, modelling like this to prove a counterfactual seems completely legit.

pjc50 11mo ago

It is grimly funny how the Conservative party (Cameron) looked at the indyref, with its 48/52 win with all three main parties and almost all the media on their side, and decided that this was a big win and they could do it again. But this time the media would be on the other side, and pro-Leave were the ones making all the big undeliverable promises in all directions.

arethuza 11mo ago
Nitpick: the Scottish Independence Referendum was 44.7% Yes and 55.3% No https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Scottish_independence_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Scottish_independence_ref...