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> propagate elite opinion I can't speak of the MI5 accusation but the elite opinion one is comically of the mark. The (economic/political) elite famously hate

> propagate elite opinion I can't speak of the MI5 accusation but the elite opinion one is comically of the mark. The (economic/political) elite famously hate the Beeb for its "leftie" views (really, it's just being balanced and telling the facts that they object to). The Tories would love an excuse to tear it apart but historically it's been too popular for them to get away with that. If you had meant intellectual elites then maybe you would have a point but I don't think that's what you were saying.

raffraffraff 11mo ago
I think that everybody looks back with rose tinted specs. Off the cuff, I'd say that the BBC isn't as honest and transparent as I thought it was back in the 80s, 90s. Then I remember the Jimmy Saville cover-up. Britain's pound shop/ dollar store Epstein. > senior managers were not told of complaints about Savile because of an "atmosphere of fear" which still exists in the BBC Written 10 years ago and still true today. It's just that the lies de jour depend on who currently holds political and (to a far grater extent today) cultural power. The elites, in a modern cultural sense, are not necessarily people with traditional money and power (royalty, politicians, famous stars and billionaires). Undoubtedly they have power, but these days that type of power doesn't protect you from the mob. Today, power is wielded by people who claim to have none, yet somehow set the tone on social media (moderation rules), influence rules within universities, influence charities and NGOs, and from there, media outlets. Politicians today are just landing to all. The BBC has is right up there with all the other liars.
gadders 11mo ago
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- ad_hockey 11mo ago
  The UK. Being educated at Eton is a pretty good proxy for "the elite". We've had seven Eton-educated Prime Ministers in the 20th and 21st Century, and 100% of them were Conservatives. There has never been an Eton-educated Labour PM and the majority of Labour MPs come from state schools. The political skew among the elites is pretty obvious.
  - gadders 11mo ago
    You don't think Eton is being flooded with progressive views? [1] A far better proxy for "the elite" would be "people who studied PPE at Oxford" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Oxford_people_with_PPE_degrees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Oxford_p... [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-58244672 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-58244672
    - ad_hockey 11mo ago
      That's a far worse proxy. If you want to study PPE at university then you have to pay, there is no alternative. Studying at Eton is entirely unnecessary, given that state schools exist, and also far more expensive - Oxford costs £9,500 per year, Eton is about £17,500 per term. That's why it's the sole preserve of the elite, unlike Oxford.
      - gadders 11mo ago
        You seem to think "Elite" means "Rich" whereas "Elite" in this context means "opinion-former". Some can be rich, some can be MPs, civil servants, journalists, editors etc. EG: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/26102-who-are-elite-britain https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/26102-who-are-elite-b...
        ad_hockey 11mo ago
        Using your own data, then: can you present your evidence that the majority of MPs, CEOs, bankers, and newspaper editors are left wing?
        gadders 11mo ago
        MPs - obviously, look at the Labour majority. CEOs - quite a large proportion. Bankers - more than you would expect Newspaper editors - Guardian, Mirror, Independen Civil Service - pretty much all of it

raffraffraff 11mo ago

I think that everybody looks back with rose tinted specs. Off the cuff, I'd say that the BBC isn't as honest and transparent as I thought it was back in the 80s, 90s. Then I remember the Jimmy Saville cover-up. Britain's pound shop/ dollar store Epstein. > senior managers were not told of complaints about Savile because of an "atmosphere of fear" which still exists in the BBC Written 10 years ago and still true today. It's just that the lies de jour depend on who currently holds political and (to a far grater extent today) cultural power. The elites, in a modern cultural sense, are not necessarily people with traditional money and power (royalty, politicians, famous stars and billionaires). Undoubtedly they have power, but these days that type of power doesn't protect you from the mob. Today, power is wielded by people who claim to have none, yet somehow set the tone on social media (moderation rules), influence rules within universities, influence charities and NGOs, and from there, media outlets. Politicians today are just landing to all. The BBC has is right up there with all the other liars.

gadders 11mo ago

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ad_hockey 11mo ago
The UK. Being educated at Eton is a pretty good proxy for "the elite". We've had seven Eton-educated Prime Ministers in the 20th and 21st Century, and 100% of them were Conservatives. There has never been an Eton-educated Labour PM and the majority of Labour MPs come from state schools. The political skew among the elites is pretty obvious.
- gadders 11mo ago
  You don't think Eton is being flooded with progressive views? [1] A far better proxy for "the elite" would be "people who studied PPE at Oxford" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Oxford_people_with_PPE_degrees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Oxford_p... [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-58244672 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-58244672
  - ad_hockey 11mo ago
    That's a far worse proxy. If you want to study PPE at university then you have to pay, there is no alternative. Studying at Eton is entirely unnecessary, given that state schools exist, and also far more expensive - Oxford costs £9,500 per year, Eton is about £17,500 per term. That's why it's the sole preserve of the elite, unlike Oxford.
    - gadders 11mo ago
      You seem to think "Elite" means "Rich" whereas "Elite" in this context means "opinion-former". Some can be rich, some can be MPs, civil servants, journalists, editors etc. EG: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/26102-who-are-elite-britain https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/26102-who-are-elite-b...
      - ad_hockey 11mo ago
        Using your own data, then: can you present your evidence that the majority of MPs, CEOs, bankers, and newspaper editors are left wing?
        gadders 11mo ago
        MPs - obviously, look at the Labour majority. CEOs - quite a large proportion. Bankers - more than you would expect Newspaper editors - Guardian, Mirror, Independen Civil Service - pretty much all of it