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Adafruit is wrong here A missing piece of the puzzle that i feel is ommitted in Adafruits posting, is that the changes only affect the Arduino Cloud Services,

Adafruit is wrong here A missing piece of the puzzle that i feel is ommitted in Adafruits posting, is that the changes only affect the Arduino Cloud Services, which provide various github-like services for the arduino ecosystem. Looking over the changes with this in mind, it seems a lawyer just applied the same standard SaaS legal language to what is effectively a SaaS offering, pretty normal in most cases. None of these changes will affect the Arduino open-source hardware project. [EDIT] - confirmed: https://www.arduino.cc/en/privacy-policy/ https://www.arduino.cc/en/privacy-policy/ all the legal language applies to the website, online services, forums, etc.

School-Cotton 11mo ago
If true that's an absolutely gigantic omission, bordering on outright lying.
- jama211 11mo ago
  Yeah renders this whole article kinda dismissible imo
yapyap 11mo ago
Yeah I already found it odd that it was about what “users uploaded” seeing that Arduino is not necessarily a platform to upload things to, it can be, but not necessarily. Also Adafruit being a store, isnt there a matter of conflict of interest with posts like this?
londons_explore 11mo ago
And I can't imagine Qualcomms lawyers put much thought into this specific clause. As soon as it becomes a PR nightmare, they might just take that clause out.
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teraflop 11mo ago
More precisely, from the TOS: > The Site is part of the platform developed and managed by Arduino, which allows users to take part in the discussions on the Arduino forum, the Arduino blog, the Arduino User Group, the Arduino Discord channel, and the Arduino Project Hub, and to access the Arduino main website, subsites, Arduino Cloud, Arduino Courses, Arduino Certifications, Arduino Docs, the Arduino EDU kit sites to release works within the Contributor License Agreement program, and to further develop the Arduino open source ecosystem (collectively, the “Platform”). > 8.2 User shall not: translate, decompile or reverse-engineer the Platform, or engage in any other activity designed to identify the algorithms and logic of the Platform’s operation, unless expressly allowed by Arduino or by applicable license agreements So yeah, it seems like the definition of "Platform" is limited only to their hosted services.

School-Cotton 11mo ago

If true that's an absolutely gigantic omission, bordering on outright lying.

jama211 11mo ago
Yeah renders this whole article kinda dismissible imo

yapyap 11mo ago

Yeah I already found it odd that it was about what “users uploaded” seeing that Arduino is not necessarily a platform to upload things to, it can be, but not necessarily. Also Adafruit being a store, isnt there a matter of conflict of interest with posts like this?

londons_explore 11mo ago

And I can't imagine Qualcomms lawyers put much thought into this specific clause. As soon as it becomes a PR nightmare, they might just take that clause out.

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teraflop 11mo ago

More precisely, from the TOS: > The Site is part of the platform developed and managed by Arduino, which allows users to take part in the discussions on the Arduino forum, the Arduino blog, the Arduino User Group, the Arduino Discord channel, and the Arduino Project Hub, and to access the Arduino main website, subsites, Arduino Cloud, Arduino Courses, Arduino Certifications, Arduino Docs, the Arduino EDU kit sites to release works within the Contributor License Agreement program, and to further develop the Arduino open source ecosystem (collectively, the “Platform”). > 8.2 User shall not: translate, decompile or reverse-engineer the Platform, or engage in any other activity designed to identify the algorithms and logic of the Platform’s operation, unless expressly allowed by Arduino or by applicable license agreements So yeah, it seems like the definition of "Platform" is limited only to their hosted services.