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Why is that? Definition of working class can range from near everyone with a job to a lower stratum under the middle class to even more narrowly manufacturing a

• littlestymaar 11mo ago
  > At least I provided some data and not just fact free vibes Without realizing that the “data” contradicts your point despite only starting in the second Reagan term (hence entirely missing the point). If you want to get actual data, see Saez and Zucman.
  • sershe 11mo ago
    You didn't originally claim above the inequality is increasing. The above posts make claims - about the post war welfare state versus the current system. I provided the data going back well before Reagan to show this is simply false. Unless of course by current system you mean 3x bloated welfare state. - that working class living standards are deteriorating. You provided no data for that. That's by the way why I'm confused as to what you mean by working class, if there was some proof perhaps I could have inferred by there isn't any. Inequality apriory has nothing to do with living standards. It does have a lot to do with vibes... But still, for taxes, here's data back to 79, before Reagan. Do you have better? If not how do you know? https://www.concordcoalition.org/deep-dives/issue-brief/historical-tax-rates-the-rhetoric-and-reality-of-taxing-the-rich/ https://www.concordcoalition.org/deep-dives/issue-brief/hist... I agree wealth inequality is increasing but I don't think it's a real problem and disagree with all the rest. I wonder what percentage of wealth differential are productive or artificially scarce assets going up in price due to the money printing, eg like housing after covid binge
    • littlestymaar 11mo ago
      > I provided the data going back well before Reagan to show this is simply false. No you didn't. “Welfare state” isn't “social security paid with US debts”…
      • sershe 11mo ago
        Well, what is your alternative definition of welfare state that implies it has been hollowed out versus the one before the 80ies despite massive increase in funding? You so far have provided zero data on either welfare state or living standards. Or tax burden on the rich, that has stayed stable or increased thru the main bogeyman, the 80ies top rate cuts.
        • littlestymaar 11mo ago
          Maybe you should try spending a little more time reading about basic stuff (like what is “welfare state” or “working class”) before having strong opinions and waste time in internet arguments. Claiming you back your argument with data is a bit awkward when you admit don't even understand the basic concepts. But hey, you do you.
          • sershe 11mo ago
            Ah, here comes the adhominem again with zero info. Your delusions do not work for any reasonable definition of working class or welfare state. In one thing you are right; long long time ago, when I had too much free time, I spent some of it arguing with creationists. Compared to that, arguing with modern leftists is a waste of time - the latter are so much less connected to reality.
            • littlestymaar 11mo ago
              Here's your “Everybody else is a leftist” award.
              • sershe 11mo ago
                Sure, collectivist. You all look the same to me :D creationists come think of it had more variety, too. When someone talks about cheap toasters taking jobs I couldn't tell if it's Vance or Warren without a picture