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Using an Ad blocker I feel regret for stealing the site's revenue. So I allow them to collect my personal data. Anyways, I think most of them will not respect m

by tsoukase 11mo ago

Using an Ad blocker I feel regret for stealing the site's revenue. So I allow them to collect my personal data. Anyways, I think most of them will not respect my rejection.

zelphirkalt 11mo ago
A site that cannot exist without collecting not needed personal data and without selling out its visitors, has no justification of continuing to exist. Don't let them guilt-trip you.
- tonyhart7 11mo ago
  that just shallow and one sided argument that never respect another side of coin
  - array_key_first 11mo ago
    It's also true. Not every business model is viable, and that's life. I can't run a hitman business. Because that's illegal. Oh well, too bad, so sad. This is what makes the world a somewhat decent place. If we make things that suck ass illegal and then, as a byproduct, a bunch of businesses can no longer make money - then good. That's the correct outcome. This is how a free market works. You want to win customers? Make a good product, have a good model, don't cheat by lying to customers, or doing shit without their consent. We don't want scams, scams are bad. If those go away that's a net benefit for humanity.
    - tonyhart7 11mo ago
      what do you mean illegal??? tell that to Ads advertising business that bringing billions every year, and its legal btw
      - array_key_first 11mo ago
        Right, and that sucks major fucking ass. It's bad and literally nobody likes it. If it went away overnight, I would not lose sleep. I don't think I'm alone in that. If you want to run a business that relies on gathering obscene amounts of data on people and then using it in aggregate to commit crimes against humanity, then fine. But at least make them consent to you fucking them up the ass. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
        tonyhart7 11mo ago
        so you want people cant earn livelihood by your saying????? for some people and I mean some people in this are entire industry that working with directly and indirectly. this is the only way to earn a living for them and you saying this people cant do that???? "If you want to run a business that relies on gathering obscene amounts of data on people and then using it in aggregate to commit crimes against humanity, then fine. But at least make them consent to you fucking them up the ass. I don't think that's too much to ask for." well. you are free to choose not to?????? what we even doing here? life its about choice and you are free to not sign up service that scummy it literally totally difference case that worth another article/post for that
        array_key_first 11mo ago
        So, so many glaring problems here: 1. Consumers can't just 'not use something' because of network effects, and you know that. Don't play stupid with me. 2. The service is scummy because they lie. That's the scummy part. Sit back and read what I wrote. I'm not saying services CAN'T commit crimes against humanity. They can! I'm saying they must DO IT HONESTLY. If this is about choice, and you want users to choose what they want, then you have to be on my side. It's not optional. IF what you're saying is true, and consumers have the choice "not sign up service that scummy", THEN they must know if the service is scummy. Necessarily! You are literally agreeing with me!
        tonyhart7 11mo ago
- user34283 11mo ago
  Do you think anyone cares in the slightest about your 'personal data'? It's garbage and no one would waste energy for it, if it weren't for the ability to serve more effective advertisements. If I'm going to offer an application monetized with Ads, I'm going to use a big ad network like Google which requires cookies to personalize the ads and prevent fraud. I could not care less about collecting your personal data. And that's probably the same for 99% of websites.
  - s1mplicissimus 11mo ago
    > It's garbage and no one would waste energy for it, if it weren't for the ability to serve more effective advertisements. Advertisements, among other things, for political views, influencing voter behavior. Which lots of interest groups care about
  - zelphirkalt 11mo ago
    Well, without any personal data, FB/Meta and Google would have nothing. Their whole business model is selling the idea, that they are able to advertise better, due to them knowing things about people and their preferences or interests. Obviously you need to consider what happens in the large.
  - rapnie 11mo ago
    A blog writer who injects ads cares in an analogy similar to how a low-level street dealer cares about pushing to clients. It provides the income. Further up the chain it goes much further than just ads, up to state actors who try to influence elections all across the globe, based on such data. And with AI a new Wild West wide open to explore.
    - user34283 11mo ago
      Selling drugs causes harm. Targeting political ads? Debatable - whether AI is somehow involved or not.
      - 1718627440 11mo ago
Telaneo 11mo ago
They should feel ashamed for collecting your personal data in the first place.
wat10000 11mo ago
Typical ad blockers won't block ads that are served natively by the site you're viewing. And outside ad networks are a security and privacy risk. So I don't feel too bad. It's not my fault that they made their revenue contingent on loading untrusted third-party content.

Using an Ad blocker I feel regret for stealing the site's revenue. So I allow them to collect my personal data. Anyways, I think most of them will not respect my rejection.

zelphirkalt 11mo ago

A site that cannot exist without collecting not needed personal data and without selling out its visitors, has no justification of continuing to exist. Don't let them guilt-trip you.

tonyhart7 11mo ago
that just shallow and one sided argument that never respect another side of coin
- array_key_first 11mo ago
  It's also true. Not every business model is viable, and that's life. I can't run a hitman business. Because that's illegal. Oh well, too bad, so sad. This is what makes the world a somewhat decent place. If we make things that suck ass illegal and then, as a byproduct, a bunch of businesses can no longer make money - then good. That's the correct outcome. This is how a free market works. You want to win customers? Make a good product, have a good model, don't cheat by lying to customers, or doing shit without their consent. We don't want scams, scams are bad. If those go away that's a net benefit for humanity.
  - tonyhart7 11mo ago
    what do you mean illegal??? tell that to Ads advertising business that bringing billions every year, and its legal btw
    - array_key_first 11mo ago
      Right, and that sucks major fucking ass. It's bad and literally nobody likes it. If it went away overnight, I would not lose sleep. I don't think I'm alone in that. If you want to run a business that relies on gathering obscene amounts of data on people and then using it in aggregate to commit crimes against humanity, then fine. But at least make them consent to you fucking them up the ass. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
      - tonyhart7 11mo ago
        so you want people cant earn livelihood by your saying????? for some people and I mean some people in this are entire industry that working with directly and indirectly. this is the only way to earn a living for them and you saying this people cant do that???? "If you want to run a business that relies on gathering obscene amounts of data on people and then using it in aggregate to commit crimes against humanity, then fine. But at least make them consent to you fucking them up the ass. I don't think that's too much to ask for." well. you are free to choose not to?????? what we even doing here? life its about choice and you are free to not sign up service that scummy it literally totally difference case that worth another article/post for that
        array_key_first 11mo ago
        So, so many glaring problems here: 1. Consumers can't just 'not use something' because of network effects, and you know that. Don't play stupid with me. 2. The service is scummy because they lie. That's the scummy part. Sit back and read what I wrote. I'm not saying services CAN'T commit crimes against humanity. They can! I'm saying they must DO IT HONESTLY. If this is about choice, and you want users to choose what they want, then you have to be on my side. It's not optional. IF what you're saying is true, and consumers have the choice "not sign up service that scummy", THEN they must know if the service is scummy. Necessarily! You are literally agreeing with me!
        tonyhart7 11mo ago
user34283 11mo ago
Do you think anyone cares in the slightest about your 'personal data'? It's garbage and no one would waste energy for it, if it weren't for the ability to serve more effective advertisements. If I'm going to offer an application monetized with Ads, I'm going to use a big ad network like Google which requires cookies to personalize the ads and prevent fraud. I could not care less about collecting your personal data. And that's probably the same for 99% of websites.
- s1mplicissimus 11mo ago
  > It's garbage and no one would waste energy for it, if it weren't for the ability to serve more effective advertisements. Advertisements, among other things, for political views, influencing voter behavior. Which lots of interest groups care about
- zelphirkalt 11mo ago
  Well, without any personal data, FB/Meta and Google would have nothing. Their whole business model is selling the idea, that they are able to advertise better, due to them knowing things about people and their preferences or interests. Obviously you need to consider what happens in the large.
- rapnie 11mo ago
  A blog writer who injects ads cares in an analogy similar to how a low-level street dealer cares about pushing to clients. It provides the income. Further up the chain it goes much further than just ads, up to state actors who try to influence elections all across the globe, based on such data. And with AI a new Wild West wide open to explore.
  - user34283 11mo ago
    Selling drugs causes harm. Targeting political ads? Debatable - whether AI is somehow involved or not.
    - 1718627440 11mo ago

Telaneo 11mo ago

They should feel ashamed for collecting your personal data in the first place.

wat10000 11mo ago

Typical ad blockers won't block ads that are served natively by the site you're viewing. And outside ad networks are a security and privacy risk. So I don't feel too bad. It's not my fault that they made their revenue contingent on loading untrusted third-party content.