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So you'd ban all the free demo versions of paid apps?

tehwebguy 14y ago
No, I think the idea is that there are some full blown apps that seem to serve only to push sales of other apps. Not a big deal for demo + full version apps, but when you pay full price for an app (or download a free, non-demo app) and keep getting pushed to buy other apps it gets pretty annoying. Some apps have done it tastefully, like Temple Run. Others like Scramble (and my assumption is all Zynga apps) just make it a drag.
jrajav 14y ago
Arguably, the existence of a full and demo version - along with limits on features or usage period of the demo - will be all the "promotion" you need.
Karunamon 14y ago
No need for having two apps clogging up the store - have just the app, and have the paid version unlocked via IAP.
- potatolicious 14y ago
  This is actually really painful for both devs and users - the main thing being that recovery of the paid upgrade will be finicky and unreliable. The UI for recovering an in-app purchase is the same as the buying UI, which leads many users to mistakenly believe they are being double-charged. Who can blame them, the UI blows. Since devs themselves also do not get any user-specific information when an in-app purchase is sold, it becomes pretty much impossible for your support channels to verify someone actually owns what they say they own. Until the API improves (not holding my breath, it's been like this for, what, 3 years now?) IAP-driven upgrades will hurt both users and developers.
  - rhizome 14y ago
    Then maybe people should be putting more effort into this setup than in goosing popularity juice and user-hostile co-promo bs.
  - chucknelson 14y ago
    > "The UI for recovering an in-app purchase is the same as the buying UI, which leads many users to mistakenly believe they are being double-charged." This makes sense for low-price + IAP apps, but not the free + IAP model mentioned in the thread you're replying to. Free + IAP seems fine, and it's probably been the most popular PC/Mac software sales method since the 90s.
    - potatolicious 14y ago
      This impacts free + IAP models also. Here's the classic use case: 1. User gets a shiny new iPhone. 2. User installs my (free) AwesomeApp on new device. 3. User is missing premium AwesomeApp features, is now confused about why. 4. User goes to IAP part of app and tries to recover the IAP/premium features, except Apple's UI here would lead user to believe they are being charged for the IAP again. This is often followed by: 5. User contacts support and is very confused. Support cannot verify whether or not user owns the IAP, because the App Store is a black box and we get no information about purchasers.
      - idunno246 14y ago
        Isn't that what the restoreCompletedTransactions api is for? It's the fault of the app developer for not using it, and forcing the user to go through the purchase flow again.
  - baddox 14y ago
    Is recovering upgrades finicky and unreliable? The only app I can think of which has the functionality is Ascension: Chronicle of the Godslayer [0], and it's pretty clear and seems to work quite well. The UI isn't easily confused with in-app purchases, although you do have to go to "In App Store" from the main menu. Once there, you click Recover and it just works. [0] http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ascension-chronicle-godslayer/id441838733?mt=8 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ascension-chronicle-godslayer...
  - scottchin 14y ago
    There are API methods that directly handle recovery. However, it wasn't until recently (earlier this year) that the App Store review process finally required developers to implement the restore mechanism.
- SquareWheel 14y ago
  Not sure I agree, in-app purchases have turned so scammy recently (buy 1000 fun points for $100!) that I've taken to not even looking at games if they include IAP anymore.
- ja27 14y ago
  Institutional buyers, especially schools, usually can't do IAPs. Heck, we're lucky when they even have an app budget at all.
eps 14y ago
No, I wouldn't. In fact, I think the try-then-buy model was actually the intended primary use of IAP.
- Evbn 14y ago
  I thought IAP was for hats for your game charaters.

No, I think the idea is that there are some full blown apps that seem to serve only to push sales of other apps. Not a big deal for demo + full version apps, but when you pay full price for an app (or download a free, non-demo app) and keep getting pushed to buy other apps it gets pretty annoying. Some apps have done it tastefully, like Temple Run. Others like Scramble (and my assumption is all Zynga apps) just make it a drag.

jrajav 14y ago

Arguably, the existence of a full and demo version - along with limits on features or usage period of the demo - will be all the "promotion" you need.

Karunamon 14y ago

No need for having two apps clogging up the store - have just the app, and have the paid version unlocked via IAP.

potatolicious 14y ago
This is actually really painful for both devs and users - the main thing being that recovery of the paid upgrade will be finicky and unreliable. The UI for recovering an in-app purchase is the same as the buying UI, which leads many users to mistakenly believe they are being double-charged. Who can blame them, the UI blows. Since devs themselves also do not get any user-specific information when an in-app purchase is sold, it becomes pretty much impossible for your support channels to verify someone actually owns what they say they own. Until the API improves (not holding my breath, it's been like this for, what, 3 years now?) IAP-driven upgrades will hurt both users and developers.
- rhizome 14y ago
  Then maybe people should be putting more effort into this setup than in goosing popularity juice and user-hostile co-promo bs.
- chucknelson 14y ago
  > "The UI for recovering an in-app purchase is the same as the buying UI, which leads many users to mistakenly believe they are being double-charged." This makes sense for low-price + IAP apps, but not the free + IAP model mentioned in the thread you're replying to. Free + IAP seems fine, and it's probably been the most popular PC/Mac software sales method since the 90s.
  - potatolicious 14y ago
    This impacts free + IAP models also. Here's the classic use case: 1. User gets a shiny new iPhone. 2. User installs my (free) AwesomeApp on new device. 3. User is missing premium AwesomeApp features, is now confused about why. 4. User goes to IAP part of app and tries to recover the IAP/premium features, except Apple's UI here would lead user to believe they are being charged for the IAP again. This is often followed by: 5. User contacts support and is very confused. Support cannot verify whether or not user owns the IAP, because the App Store is a black box and we get no information about purchasers.
    - idunno246 14y ago
      Isn't that what the restoreCompletedTransactions api is for? It's the fault of the app developer for not using it, and forcing the user to go through the purchase flow again.
- baddox 14y ago
  Is recovering upgrades finicky and unreliable? The only app I can think of which has the functionality is Ascension: Chronicle of the Godslayer [0], and it's pretty clear and seems to work quite well. The UI isn't easily confused with in-app purchases, although you do have to go to "In App Store" from the main menu. Once there, you click Recover and it just works. [0] http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ascension-chronicle-godslayer/id441838733?mt=8 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ascension-chronicle-godslayer...
- scottchin 14y ago
  There are API methods that directly handle recovery. However, it wasn't until recently (earlier this year) that the App Store review process finally required developers to implement the restore mechanism.
SquareWheel 14y ago
Not sure I agree, in-app purchases have turned so scammy recently (buy 1000 fun points for $100!) that I've taken to not even looking at games if they include IAP anymore.
ja27 14y ago
Institutional buyers, especially schools, usually can't do IAPs. Heck, we're lucky when they even have an app budget at all.

eps 14y ago

No, I wouldn't. In fact, I think the try-then-buy model was actually the intended primary use of IAP.

Evbn 14y ago
I thought IAP was for hats for your game charaters.