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Actually, according to the Nova Wikipedia page, the packaging of potato chips would push them into UPF. The actual, non-edible bag with the slogans and other so

by sigwinch 11mo ago

Actually, according to the Nova Wikipedia page, the packaging of potato chips would push them into UPF. The actual, non-edible bag with the slogans and other soothsayings.

UncleMeat 11mo ago
Where do you see that? My understanding is that packaging has to actually be implied by the food. It would be psychotic for potato chips served in a paper bag to be okay and potato chips served in a branded bag to be bad but I've been surprised before. It is the case that several of the prominent voices against UPFs have said some ridiculous things in this direction. Like that a packaged lasagna that is made entirely from ingredients and processes that a home cook would use to make lasagna is bad because it comes from the same corporations and market forces that also produce the frozen lasagnas that are loaded with stabilizers and added sugar.
- sigwinch 11mo ago
  Reference [10], “sophisticated packaging, usually with synthetic materials“
  - _aavaa_ 11mo ago
    Hold on, is the argument here that a bag is "sophisticated packaging"?
    - kragen 11mo ago
      The bags normally used for potato chips are laminated from typically about four layers, one of which is a vacuum coating of aluminum and another of which is polyethylene terephthalate which has been strained to work-harden it, and hermetically sealed with industrial machinery that heats the bag to the melting point of its innnermost layer, typically with an inert atmosphere inside. Potato-chip bags are probably the most sophisticated packaging used for any food you see routinely. That does not, of course, mean that they are bad for you.
- kragen 11mo ago
  There have been several cases of possible or confirmed endocrine disruptors in food packaging, such as phthalates and bisphenol-A. My personal opinion is that those probably will turn out to have been harmless, but concerns over them aren't psychotic.

Actually, according to the Nova Wikipedia page, the packaging of potato chips would push them into UPF. The actual, non-edible bag with the slogans and other soothsayings.

UncleMeat 11mo ago

Where do you see that? My understanding is that packaging has to actually be implied by the food. It would be psychotic for potato chips served in a paper bag to be okay and potato chips served in a branded bag to be bad but I've been surprised before. It is the case that several of the prominent voices against UPFs have said some ridiculous things in this direction. Like that a packaged lasagna that is made entirely from ingredients and processes that a home cook would use to make lasagna is bad because it comes from the same corporations and market forces that also produce the frozen lasagnas that are loaded with stabilizers and added sugar.

sigwinch 11mo ago
Reference [10], “sophisticated packaging, usually with synthetic materials“
- _aavaa_ 11mo ago
  Hold on, is the argument here that a bag is "sophisticated packaging"?
  - kragen 11mo ago
    The bags normally used for potato chips are laminated from typically about four layers, one of which is a vacuum coating of aluminum and another of which is polyethylene terephthalate which has been strained to work-harden it, and hermetically sealed with industrial machinery that heats the bag to the melting point of its innnermost layer, typically with an inert atmosphere inside. Potato-chip bags are probably the most sophisticated packaging used for any food you see routinely. That does not, of course, mean that they are bad for you.
kragen 11mo ago
There have been several cases of possible or confirmed endocrine disruptors in food packaging, such as phthalates and bisphenol-A. My personal opinion is that those probably will turn out to have been harmless, but concerns over them aren't psychotic.