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15-20 years ago this wouldn't have been a company. It would have been a strong but informal open collaboration where smart and just people funded by various e

by lysace 11mo ago

15-20 years ago this wouldn't have been a company. It would have been a strong but informal open collaboration where smart and just people funded by various entities around the world kept it running. Then the opportunity to get rich by offering an open source product combined with closed source extras+support was invented. I don't like this new world. Edit: Somewhere along the line, we also lost the concept of having a sysadmin/developer person working at like a municipality contributring like 20% of their time towards maintenance of such projects. Invaluable when keeping things running.

npteljes 11mo ago
What do you find wrong with "this new world"? For context, I'm using their free offering for my home server, for 6-7 years now. Happy as a clam.
- lysace 11mo ago
  It enables Oracle-like behavior. Once you're locked in as commercial user they can do whatever they want. Remember: Not all commercial users are FAANG rich. Counties/local municipalities count as commercial users, as an example.
  - npteljes 11mo ago
    But in many cases, like Proxmox, there is nothing proprietary. What they provide is the glue, the polish, the interface that ties together the technologies they build on. If they began to be nasty, you can just leave (or even, continue to use it however long you like). In general, I don't think this is a threat. I think the problems begin with proprietary offerings, like they so often do in the cloud. Then's the time when vendor lock-in takes its toll. But even with AWS, if you stick to open interfaces, it's easy to leave.
Volundr 11mo ago
Funny enough, Proxmox VE is 17 years old. I want to say it was ballpark 13-14 years ago I was using it to replace ESXi to get features (HA/Live migration) that only came with expensive licensing. 15-20 years ago there were definitely companies doing exactly this.

by lysace 11mo ago

npteljes 11mo ago

What do you find wrong with "this new world"? For context, I'm using their free offering for my home server, for 6-7 years now. Happy as a clam.

lysace 11mo ago
It enables Oracle-like behavior. Once you're locked in as commercial user they can do whatever they want. Remember: Not all commercial users are FAANG rich. Counties/local municipalities count as commercial users, as an example.
- npteljes 11mo ago
  But in many cases, like Proxmox, there is nothing proprietary. What they provide is the glue, the polish, the interface that ties together the technologies they build on. If they began to be nasty, you can just leave (or even, continue to use it however long you like). In general, I don't think this is a threat. I think the problems begin with proprietary offerings, like they so often do in the cloud. Then's the time when vendor lock-in takes its toll. But even with AWS, if you stick to open interfaces, it's easy to leave.

Volundr 11mo ago

Funny enough, Proxmox VE is 17 years old. I want to say it was ballpark 13-14 years ago I was using it to replace ESXi to get features (HA/Live migration) that only came with expensive licensing. 15-20 years ago there were definitely companies doing exactly this.